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lenaitch said:
I find it interesting that the UK has been on a trajectory of fewer and fewer, but larger and larger police services over the past several decades, but over here, people want the RCMP to be divested into more police services. Historically, when most of the UK was borough and village police, the London Metropolitan Police ('the Met') handled most multi-jurisdictional and major crime; more by default than legislation or jurisdiction, because they were the only service with the requisite depth and expertise. When they started to amalgamate police services, much of the major crime responsibility returned to the local police since they now had the necessary depth and staffing, and wanted control.

Obviously, they will do what they do, but I think they would be better off forming or enhancing national crime groups ('undevolve') rather than trying to further reduce their number of services. They could either be stand-alone agencies or joint forces agencies led by either the Med or directly from the Home Office. Otherwise, enforcement will continue to be fragmented, just pick your degree of fragmentation.

As an organization, it is entirely possible to do both barking dogs and organized crime; it's all a matter of staffing and funding. The advantage the UK has is no sub-national governments; the Home Secretary is directly responsible for policing in England and Wales (through local Crime Panels - 'Boards'). Scotland runs their single 'national' police service.
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It seems to me that there is a natural seam between the beat cops in uniform and the plain-clothed detectives. People are happy to see the uniforms on patrol in their area.

The different specialist task forces, CID, MI5, SIS, and all the other acronyms, does anybody really care (civilians I mean) if they are centralized?
On single, national, uniformed force with local dets responsive to, and integrated in, the local community seems right enough to me.

But, as they say, the higher level stuff, crimes crossing borders and being exploited by national and multi-national purposes that cross over into little green men territory, needs a whole lot different approach.
 
Kirkhill said:
It seems to me that there is a natural seam between the beat cops in uniform and the plain-clothed detectives. People are happy to see the uniforms on patrol in their area.

The different specialist task forces, CID, MI5, SIS, and all the other acronyms, does anybody really care (civilians I mean) if they are centralized?
On single, national, uniformed force with local dets responsive to, and integrated in, the local community seems right enough to me.

But, as they say, the higher level stuff, crimes crossing borders and being exploited by national and multi-national purposes that cross over into little green men territory, needs a whole lot different approach.
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MI5 and SIS (aka MI6) are not police. They’re already centralized. MI5 is most akin to CSIS. We don’t have an equivalent to SIS; they would best equate (quite imperfectly) to CIA.
 
brihard said:
MI5 and SIS (aka MI6) are not police. They’re already centralized. MI5 is most akin to CSIS. We don’t have an equivalent to SIS; they would best equate (quite imperfectly) to CIA.
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I'm sorry.

I think my larger point is that the citizenry expect to see uniforms to protect them.

The plain-clothes alphabet soup that exists behind the blue line (or scarlet line if you prefer) is pretty much a mystery. Sometimes civil. Sometimes military. Sometimes domestic. Sometimes foreign.
 
Kirkhill said:
I'm sorry.

I think my larger point is that the citizenry expect to see uniforms to protect them.

The plain-clothes alphabet soup that exists behind the blue line (or scarlet line if you prefer) is pretty much a mystery. Sometimes civil. Sometimes military. Sometimes domestic. Sometimes foreign.
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You have hit a key point that I think people in the services don't appreciate enough.

Seeing Constable Bloggings in uniform, interacting with people in a normal and human way, makes the entire police force (official vocab guidelines say service) more relatable, ergo more legitimate.

Never seeing constables, apart from a car driving past every few weeks, makes the police less legitimate. They become the "other" there to enforce the "other's" laws, not indispensable members of the community who keep people safe.

The average Canadian doesn't care who comes in to investigate the exceptionally rare murder, they care that the people enforcing the law daily are relatable and quasi-local.
 
Kirkhill said:
www.stripes.com

US Marines gear up for Cold Response exercise in Norway despite heated Greenland rhetoric

Thousands of U.S. Marines along with other American troops are gearing up for large-scale combat drills centered on the defense of Norway.
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Continuity.
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And more

edmontonjournal.com

RCAF helicopters depart Edmonton Monday en route to Alaska training mission

Six CH-146 Griffon helicopters will depart Edmonton on Monday en route to a training exercise in Fort Wainwright, Alaska.
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Kirkhill said:
And more

edmontonjournal.com

RCAF helicopters depart Edmonton Monday en route to Alaska training mission

Six CH-146 Griffon helicopters will depart Edmonton on Monday en route to a training exercise in Fort Wainwright, Alaska.
edmontonjournal.com edmontonjournal.com
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It was always slightly daunting to see our little 'light brigade' overwhelmed by all the ships, tracks and and 'aluminum overcast' when the US Marines arrived in Norway for the big final NATO exercise.

Who was more committed to defending the northern flank? Hmmmm....

Glass half full: like the Russians, as enemy force, they were pretty much confined to the roads so we could practise our motti tactics ;)
 
daftandbarmy said:
It was always slightly daunting to see our little 'light brigade' overwhelmed by all the ships, tracks and and 'aluminum overcast' when the US Marines arrived in Norway for the big final NATO exercise.

Who was more committed to defending the northern flank? Hmmmm....

Glass half full: like the Russians, as enemy force, they were pretty much confined to the roads so we could practise our motti tactics ;)
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I wonder if we would be here today if Canada had volunteered to buy that task force for the CAST commitment it made and manned it accordingly?
 
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The tantrum continues.


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Quantity doesn't equal quality in this case...


‘You don’t want to live inside his head’: diplomats’ dilemma in the age of Trump

Flood of boasts, broadsides and conspiracy theories leaves envoys sifting for the signal within the Trumpian noise



How does one keep tabs on, and then interpret, a president who in a single year sent out more than 6,000 social media posts, conducted more than 433 open press events and held free-associating press conferences lasting close to two hours? The White House Stenographer’s Office calculates it has transcribed 2.4 million of Trump’s words, four times the length of Tolstoy’s epic War and Peace.

Tracking Trump is not just a problem for exhausted reporters – but also exhausted diplomats, who are tasked with searching for the signal in the ceaseless Trumpian noise.

Western diplomats have upgraded their media monitoring operations to take account of Trump’s habit of dropping an explosive policy announcement or launching an unexpected incendiary broadside against an ally at almost any point in the 24/7 news cycle.

Foreign ministries now also have to look out for the private texts of their boss reappearing on Truth Social.

www.theguardian.com

‘You don’t want to live inside his head’: diplomats’ dilemma in the age of Trump

The president’s onslaught of boasts, broadsides and conspiracy theories leave envoys sifting for the signal within the Trumpian noise
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Kirkhill said:
On single, national, uniformed force with local dets responsive to, and integrated in, the local community seems right enough to me.
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So it seems you would support something akin to a pan-Canadian RCMP? No provincial services, no municipal services? Interesting. The closest that I am aware of is Australia. Each state has a single police service, plus the federal police.

Furniture said:
You have hit a key point that I think people in the services don't appreciate enough.

Seeing Constable Bloggings in uniform, interacting with people in a normal and human way, makes the entire police force (official vocab guidelines say service) more relatable, ergo more legitimate.

Never seeing constables, apart from a car driving past every few weeks, makes the police less legitimate. They become the "other" there to enforce the "other's" laws, not indispensable members of the community who keep people safe.

The average Canadian doesn't care who comes in to investigate the exceptionally rare murder, they care that the people enforcing the law daily are relatable and quasi-local.
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Homicides and other violent crimes against the person are comparatively low in Canada, but the credibility of the service and sense of safety of the community are directly linked to their successful resolution. A low clearance rate of break-ins will be much more tolerated than one in violent crime. It is no coincidence that senior, experienced investigators are assigned to violent crime, and that road cops cut their teeth on barking dogs and property damage collisions, and work their way up. With major, complex investigations, the stakes are too high. Tell the family that rookie investigator might have lost the case, but learned a lot, doesn't cut it.

In rural and smaller communities where there is arguably and closer connection between the residents and police as compared to a large urban area, the person managing the rare homicide may indeed be brought in from away, but the team under them will still be local. They know the players and the landscape. Cross-border and international criminal investigation are different beasts.

If it weren't for inter-agency conflict, most US cop shows would lose their plot lines.
 
lenaitch said:
So it seems you would support something akin to a pan-Canadian RCMP? No provincial services, no municipal services? Interesting. The closest that I am aware of is Australia. Each state has a single police service, plus the federal police.
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To be honest the paymaster doesn't bother me.

I would prefer, as I said, a uniformed force in my neighbourhood that knows the neighbourhood and interacts with it. Part of the community. Not outsiders rotating through with no attachment. If they all come out of the same academy, and follow the same rules and regulations, including enforcing local by-laws, that is fine by me.

Now, the next step up, the cross-jurisdictional types handling serious civil, military, paramilitary and hybrid crimes, then they should absolutely be centralized.

Of course, I am also a fan of a well-regulated militia and local armouries. Just to keep the coppers honest. 😁
lenaitch said:
Homicides and other violent crimes against the person are comparatively low in Canada, but the credibility of the service and sense of safety of the community are directly linked to their successful resolution. A low clearance rate of break-ins will be much more tolerated than one in violent crime. It is no coincidence that senior, experienced investigators are assigned to violent crime, and that road cops cut their teeth on barking dogs and property damage collisions, and work their way up. With major, complex investigations, the stakes are too high. Tell the family that rookie investigator might have lost the case, but learned a lot, doesn't cut it.

In rural and smaller communities where there is arguably and closer connection between the residents and police as compared to a large urban area, the person managing the rare homicide may indeed be brought in from away, but the team under them will still be local. They know the players and the landscape. Cross-border and international criminal investigation are different beasts.

If it weren't for inter-agency conflict, most US cop shows would lose their plot lines.
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Kirkhill said:
I wonder if we would be here today if Canada had volunteered to buy that task force for the CAST commitment it made and manned it accordingly?
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It would be almost amusing watching the various tantrums generated by inter service rivalries. Not to mention watching the Navy deal with its various communities.
After all the only people who hated Naval Aviation more then the Airforce was the rest of the Navy.
 
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Meanwhile, the lowest consumer confidence ratings in 11 years...


Consumer confidence collapses to lowest level since 2014

America’s economic mood deteriorated in January to its lowest level in more than a decade as consumers fretted about geopolitical tensions, affordability and President Donald Trump’s unrelenting trade war.

The Conference Board’s Consumer Confidence Index for January, released Tuesday, declined 9.7 points to a reading of 84.5, the lowest since 2014, surpassing the lows of last year when Trump unveiled stiff tariffs and the depths of the pandemic recession in 2020.

January’s reading came in much lower than the 91.1 reading economists projected in a poll by data firm FactSet.

The survey’s indexes for how Americans feel about current economic conditions and their expectations for the US economy’s future both fell sharply this month.


 
daftandbarmy said:
Meanwhile, the lowest consumer confidence ratings in 11 years...


Consumer confidence collapses to lowest level since 2014

America’s economic mood deteriorated in January to its lowest level in more than a decade as consumers fretted about geopolitical tensions, affordability and President Donald Trump’s unrelenting trade war.

The Conference Board’s Consumer Confidence Index for January, released Tuesday, declined 9.7 points to a reading of 84.5, the lowest since 2014, surpassing the lows of last year when Trump unveiled stiff tariffs and the depths of the pandemic recession in 2020.

January’s reading came in much lower than the 91.1 reading economists projected in a poll by data firm FactSet.

The survey’s indexes for how Americans feel about current economic conditions and their expectations for the US economy’s future both fell sharply this month.


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Just wait until when the AI bubble in the stock market pops and things go tits up.
 
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