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Regarding international approval.

Saw this 8n the news.

China Leads U.S. in Net Approval, Though Both Are Negative​

Chinatown has surpassed the United States in global approval.

No idea why.

April 3, 2026

WASHINGTON, D.C. — While neither country commands broad support, China surpassed the United States in global approval ratings in 2025, with a median of 36% approving of China’s leadership, compared with 31% for the U.S. China’s five-percentage-point advantage over the U.S. is the widest Gallup has recorded in China’s favor in nearly 20 years.
 
Regarding international approval.

Saw this 8n the news.

China Leads U.S. in Net Approval, Though Both Are Negative​

Chinatown has surpassed the United States in global approval.

No idea why.

April 3, 2026

WASHINGTON, D.C. — While neither country commands broad support, China surpassed the United States in global approval ratings in 2025, with a median of 36% approving of China’s leadership, compared with 31% for the U.S. China’s five-percentage-point advantage over the U.S. is the widest Gallup has recorded in China’s favor in nearly 20 years.

“Both suck but we can predict, rely on, and make informed decisions based on how one of them will suck specifically on a going forward basis”?
 
“Both suck but we can predict, rely on, and make informed decisions based on how one of them will suck specifically on a going forward basis”?

And it’s the totalitarian police state with an abysmal human rights record and a track record of meddling in other governments’ internal politics that is seen as the most reliable of those.
 
And it’s the totalitarian police state with an abysmal human rights record and a track record of meddling in other governments’ internal politics that is seen as the most reliable of those.
Businesses like predictable rules. If they suck but are at least consistent, that can all be priced in and planned for.
 
These things happen. Re-reading "Five Days In London, May 1940". There was a time international politicians and people-on-the-street thought better of Hitler's Germany than Chamberlain's/Churchill's UK. Hitler's Germany was vibrant; Hitler did what he said; Hitler got things done. Etc.

I'd say they got it horribly wrong.
 

These things happen. Re-reading "Five Days In London, May 1940". There was a time international politicians and people-on-the-street thought better of Hitler's Germany than Chamberlain's/Churchill's UK. Hitler's Germany was vibrant; Hitler did what he said; Hitler got things done. Etc.

I'd say they got it horribly wrong.

Probably a myth, but I remember what was said about Mussolini.

"He was no bundle of laughs. But, he made the trains run on time."
 
Businesses like predictable rules. If they suck but are at least consistent, that can all be priced in and planned for.

I guess it would be too much to ask the current administration to be self reflective and ask themselves why they are now seen as less reliable than said police state by the rest of the world. No doubt they will just blame the rest of the world for being naive/stupid/woke/commie/whatever.
 
I guess it would be too much to ask the current administration to be self reflective and ask themselves why they are now seen as less reliable than said police state by the rest of the world. No doubt they will just blame the rest of the world for being naive/stupid/woke/commie/whatever.

No need.

I think the US, no matter which party is in power, is done with funding the world's defence while being the moral punching bag.

Prior recipients of these benefits and their manipulative attempts to reverse the US path will be ignored, such as suggesting getting into bed with the CCP is some kind of benefit over a close but fair allyship with the USA.

Good luck with that.
 
Nicely explains the natural resource sector's fondness for South American and African dictators. ;)
Absolutely. If you’re reliable in greasing the expected palms, they’ll do right by you in keeping pesky regulatory hurdles out of the way.
 
The only real odd one out is Eswatini, which is maintaining it's ties to Taiwan.

That is a safe move. I can't imagine a product produced in Africa that would damage the Chinese economy even if it was brought in my the shipload every week. Africa has minerals that China needs, they have oil reserves that China could tap and they have excellent wines but, and I don't know a whole lot about their industries, I can't think of any goods that would in anyway affect the Chinese production of the same item. The free trade in my mind is to give them the encouragement to buy Made in China, especially with the US being such an ass.
 
That is a safe move. I can't imagine a product produced in Africa that would damage the Chinese economy even if it was brought in my the shipload every week. Africa has minerals that China needs, they have oil reserves that China could tap and they have excellent wines but, and I don't know a whole lot about their industries, I can't think of any goods that would in anyway affect the Chinese production of the same item. The free trade in my mind is to give them the encouragement to buy Made in China, especially with the US being such an ass.
speaking of products, several of my friends from Ghana and such have become very upset because Chinese factories are mass-producing women's clothes that resemble their traditional robes and a very cheap imitation of kente (traditional fabric, patterns). It has reached the point where they as in the nation has applied for global protection in the same manner as champagne.
 
The only real odd one out is Eswatini, which is maintaining it's ties to Taiwan.


That is a safe move. I can't imagine a product produced in Africa that would damage the Chinese economy even if it was brought in my the shipload every week. Africa has minerals that China needs, they have oil reserves that China could tap and they have excellent wines but, and I don't know a whole lot about their industries, I can't think of any goods that would in anyway affect the Chinese production of the same item. The free trade in my mind is to give them the encouragement to buy Made in China, especially with the US being such an ass.
Belt and road… China continues to build economic dependence through trade integration and infrastructure financing.
 
And, we are economically independent from the US because ...
I know you’re just seeding the point for discussion.

To hit the birdie back over the net: We’re largely not. We’re already on the wrong side of some of the exact same overdependence dynamics vis a vis the U.S. that China actively and strategically tries to build elsewhere. And this is why we need more trade diversification where we can make it work economically, cause the U.S. has weaponized the hell out of this.
 
I know you’re just seeding the point for discussion.

To hit the birdie back over the net: We’re largely not. We’re already on the wrong side of some of the exact same overdependence dynamics vis a vis the U.S. that China actively and strategically tries to build elsewhere. And this is why we need more trade diversification where we can make it work economically, cause the U.S. has weaponized the hell out of this.
agreed but getting into bed with China is not the way to escape Uncle Sam's clutches. I am more inclined to cheer Carney's efforts to develop relationships with the smaller nations whilst staying as much as possible away from both Beijing (for moral, ethical reasons) and the U.S. because of their dominance
 
Meanwhile - how secure is China's position.



As YZT580 referenced elsewhere - this is an economic war.

Ronald Reagan defeated the former Soviet Union by appearing to create new weapon systems which the Soviets bankrupted themselves trying to match. Perhaps China in particular is using the same tactics on us. Our left wing parties are profligate spenders on all sorts of things; some good some a total waste of money. In the meantime we are yielding to forces that would restrict our earnings and the development of our resources. In the name of global warming we are attempting to revert to the 19th century form of living only without the coal to keep us warm. We are bankrupting ourselves building costly alternatives to nuclear, coal and natural gas. Just the cost of the infrastructure is more than we can afford. How many billions will go into providing the electricity and infrastructure to supply it to the proposed HS trains? And it is all borrowed. How many acres of good cropland will be dedicated to carrying your MP from Toronto to Ottawa in 2 hours? Would be cheaper to purchase a couple of Dash8s for the military to provide shuttle service between Downsview and Ottawa and you would have another transport asset to boot.

I am an older gentleman so I am accustomed to determining the source of the funds before making any purchases; that is the way I was brought up. I also side with the former Premier Harris: no handouts unless you have made a valiant attempt and failed to obtain employment. And finally, we are theoretically an intelligent group of people so why is it we are creating an attitude of guilt in our children towards using the resources around us whilst looking for ways to ensure that we are using them responsibly and sustainably where feasible. Is it possible that China is influencing our attitudes in such a way as to encourage our entry into bankruptcy?

I think it is reasonable to suggest that China wants to break the system on which western advantages rely. Cicero is still right about money being the sinews of war.

If they can break our sinews while maintaining their's they have a shot.

The problem seems to be that their economy is so tied with ours that their sinews are being sfretched as well.

Which Chinese sinews are being strained?

"...three ticking time bombs sitting beneath China’s economy: its reliance on bloated factories churning out exports, its spiralling budget debts and its alarmingly shrinking population."

"Xi hopes to defuse these problems by winning the global race on AI, quantum computing and robotics. But the Communist Party is also keen to stay in control, so it may struggle to make the most of this disruptive juggernaut."

Innovation is a two-edged sword. It demands a resilient society that can both exploit the opportunities that randomly appear when they appear and survive the equally random disruptions that result.

....

"Trump deferentially calls his Chinese counterpart, Xi Jinping, “the Highly Respected President of China”.

"But that doesn’t mean Trump is making things easy for Xi.

"First he choked off the half a million daily barrels of oil that China was buying from Venezuela. Now, his attack on Iran, leading to the closure of the Strait of Hormuz, has squeezed another 40pc of Chinese crude supply.

"An oil crunch is never good news, but Beijing was prepared for this. Through price caps, export bans, fuel stockpiles and home-grown alternatives to imported oil and gas, China has managed to stave off the early economic threat from the Gulf war.

"If the conflict drags on and the Strait of Hormuz remains closed, however, China could start to feel the pinch.

"A global slowdown or recession could cut demand for its exports, which have been almost single-handedly propping up the Chinese economy ever since the country’s great property crash of 2021."

....


2024 - TetraWatt-Hours Consumed

48,500 - Total

37 - Biofuels
2,046 - Solar
2,432 - Wind
3,304 - Hydro
652 - Other Renewables

8,471 - Total Renewables (17% of Consumption)

25,599 - Coal (52% of Consumption)
4,344 - Gas (9% of Consumption)

29,943 - Fixed Plant Production (61% of Consumption)


8,964 - Oil (18% of Consumption)


....

Oil is predominantly used for transportation.

While China has moved a lot of shorthaul transportation, intracity, to electricity, largely fuelled by the steady rise in coal fired plants, it is still reliant on oil for longhaul trucking, marine transportation and to power its army, navy and airforce.

"First he choked off the half a million daily barrels of oil that China was buying from Venezuela. Now, his attack on Iran, leading to the closure of the Strait of Hormuz, has squeezed another 40pc of Chinese crude supply."

....

Xi has his problems.

Not least with finding acceptable leaders who will stay followers.


"As of early 2026, President Xi Jinping has overseen an unprecedented purge of the People's Liberation Army (PLA), with estimates suggesting over 100 senior military officers have been officially purged, missing, or potentially investigated since 2022" per AI.

 
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