Canadian Surface Combatant RFQ

[Colin Parkinson]

Another customer for SPY-7:

Taiwan frigate

Taiwan Navy revives frigate project, incorporating Lockheed Martin's AN/SPY-7 radar.

www.armyrecognition.com

4,000 tons, will be the size of the Halifax's

 

[calculus]

4,000 tons, will be the size of the Halifax's

6000. The original design was 4500, but was updated to 6000, presumably to accommodate the larger radar.

 

[calculus]

This is interesting. Australia is apparently forgoing any customization to its proposed class of 11 "Tier 2" frigates. A truly MOTS purchase. They cite time as the leading factor in this decision, but I believe AUKUS has strained the Australian defence budget to such a high degree that cost is an equally important criteria. Otherwise, why not just expand the Hunter class build. I hope this idea doesn't gain traction here.

Australian Navy capability head : ‘zero-change’ is right strategy for Tier 2 general purpose frigate - Naval News

The Royal Australian Navy’s two-star capability head has made a robust defence of the ‘shrink-wrapped’ procurement strategy being pursued for the accelerated acquisition of 11 new Tier 2 general purpose frigates.

www.navalnews.com

 

[JMCanada]

Not much has been discussed here about the six proposed Australian "arsenal ships", officially known as "optionally crewed". IIRC V.Adm. Topshee also introduced that idea, however I have not seen any movement from RCN to join RAN in this issue.

 

[SeaKingTacco]

This is interesting. Australia is apparently forgoing any customization to its proposed class of 11 "Tier 2" frigates. A truly MOTS purchase. They cite time as the leading factor in this decision, but I believe AUKUS has strained the Australian defence budget to such a high degree that cost is an equally important criteria. Otherwise, why not just expand the Hunter class build. I hope this idea doesn't gain traction here.

Australian Navy capability head : ‘zero-change’ is right strategy for Tier 2 general purpose frigate - Naval News

The Royal Australian Navy’s two-star capability head has made a robust defence of the ‘shrink-wrapped’ procurement strategy being pursued for the accelerated acquisition of 11 new Tier 2 general purpose frigates.

www.navalnews.com

Right. We will see about that, once the build starts…

 

[calculus]

More bad news for one of the ships (Constellation class) that Alan Williams loves to point to as an option to continuing with the CSC.

Navy's New Constellation Class Frigate Is A Mess

Endless changes to the base FREMM design have contributed to major delays and now "unplanned weight growth" could lead to a loss of speed.

www.twz.com

 

[Rainbow1910]

It is almost like the grass isn't greener on the other side or something? The FFG(X) program was always incredibly optimistic regarding effectively everything, which set expectations unrealistically high.

 

[SeaKingTacco]

I am sure that Alan Williams will be along, any second now, to admit that he was wrong…

 

[KevinB]

More bad news for one of the ships (Constellation class) that Alan Williams loves to point to as an option to continuing with the CSC.

Navy's New Constellation Class Frigate Is A Mess

Endless changes to the base FREMM design have contributed to major delays and now "unplanned weight growth" could lead to a loss of speed.

www.twz.com

Overall, the design commonality between the Constellation and FREMM may now be as low as 15 percent, according to USNI News. GAO's new report says that this includes substantial changes to the combined diesel-electric and gas turbine propulsion system and associated machinery control systems, which has "increased cost and introduced integration risks, according to shipbuilder representatives."

What could go wrong. I mean the LCS DE&GT combo was totally reliable right

 

[FSTO]

I am sure that Alan Williams will be along, any second now, to admit that he was wrong…

 

[Lumber]

Ok you guys are going to hate this one.

Note first nations, but first nations dieties:
HMCS Niskam
HMCS Kanawha
HMCS Atahensic
HMCS Gijesa
HMCS Hé-no
HMCS Hawenniyo
HMCS Atahensic
HMCS Nerrivik
HMCS Pinga
HMCS Amotken
HMCS Kisemanito
HMCS Kaita
HMCS Gichi-manidoo
HMCS Asin
HMCS Mishipeshu

 

[Gorgo]

Not bad proposals. Doubt the Navy brass will go for it, though.

 

[Furniture]

Ok you guys are going to hate this one.

Note first nations, but first nations dieties:
HMCS Niskam
HMCS Kanawha
HMCS Atahensic
HMCS Gijesa
HMCS Hé-no
HMCS Hawenniyo
HMCS Atahensic
HMCS Nerrivik
HMCS Pinga
HMCS Amotken
HMCS Kisemanito
HMCS Kaita
HMCS Gichi-manidoo
HMCS Asin
HMCS Mishipeshu

If we are going mythical, why favour one group over another? Why not:

HMCS Jesus H Christ
HMCS Jesus Mary and Joseph
HMCS Great Odin's Beard
HMCS By the Five Furies
etc...

 

[SeaKingTacco]

Ok you guys are going to hate this one.

Note first nations, but first nations dieties:
HMCS Niskam
HMCS Kanawha
HMCS Atahensic
HMCS Gijesa
HMCS Hé-no
HMCS Hawenniyo
HMCS Atahensic
HMCS Nerrivik
HMCS Pinga
HMCS Amotken
HMCS Kisemanito
HMCS Kaita
HMCS Gichi-manidoo
HMCS Asin
HMCS Mishipeshu

For exactly the same reason we do not name warships “Jesus Christ” or “Buddha” , this is complete non-starter.

 

[Oldgateboatdriver]

Nice one Lumber. But Gichi-Manidoo, the Great Spirit, is said by the Anishinaabe to reside at Michilimackinac, which is located in the USA (Michigan state).

 

[Maxman1]

I just assume it's going to be cities again, but there is a Shannon, Quebec, so we could have a ship named after the HMS  Shannon to complement the new USS Chesapeake .

 

[Lumber]

For exactly the same reason we do not name warships “Jesus Christ” or “Buddha” , this is complete non-starter.

The Brits have HMS Agamemnon, why can't we have HMCS Amotken?

 

[SeaKingTacco]

The Brits have HMS Agamemnon, why can't we have HMCS Amotken?

Ain’t. Gonna. Happen.

Nobody is going to touch the religion third rail.

 

[dapaterson]

HMCS Groovy?

 

[SeaKingTacco]

HMCS Groovy?

I’ll buy that.

HMCS Redgreen
HMCS Letterkenney
HMCS Shoresy
HMCS Melonville (old school)…