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CAN-USA 2025 Tariff Strife (split from various pol threads)

Plus Tesla stock absolutely shit itself. Down 15.43% on the day, and over 50% since mid December. Musk is destroying the value of the brand.

Am I missing something, but why hasn’t the board of Tesla fired his ass for failing to uphold his fiduciary responsibilities to the shareholders of the company? My understanding is that he’s the CEO of o corporation, not the owner. But I admit, my knowledge may not be the best here.
 
Our greenhouses are profitable because of our location. We can operate year round because of it. Our climate is conducive to it. We are on the same latitude as Northern Cali and Rome, Italy. Lots of sun, year round, very moderate temps, right on the most used border crossing in NA and on Hwy 401. Things like snow load and wind have little effect here. The further north you go the less profitable greenhouses become.
But you are in tornado alley. Have they done anything to harden them against wind, debris, hail, etc.?
Yes, we are blessed here in our tiny corner of Canada. The soil here was lake bottom at one time and exceedingly organic. Our climate is second to none. We are further south than many US states. If it’s not grown in greehouses, it’s grown on farms that are most of the county land. We have a number of vineyards and wine production, craft brewers, local meat and poultry producers. In urban areas, like Windsor, you find Canada’s auto capital, robotics manufacturers, the hub of Canadian tool and die shops and innovation. There's a lot packed into this little county. And yes, we even have real palm trees growing down here.🙂 BTW, Highbury Canco (Hienz), only takes field tomatoes. They don't use any hothouse products.

As an aside, our greenhouses are huge corporations with other greenhouse operations in Ohio, Alabama, California and Mexico.

Look at our little area on the map. We're the yellow bit, south of Detroit. Well into the States.


But it is so flat and boring. I was doing some work with ground search teams a number of years ago and somebody quipped that the highest point of land was a 401 overpass. Another said 'what's the first thing you do when responding to a lost person'. Yell "stand up!"
 
But maybe a better question is...do we need fresh fruit and vegetables all the time? Growing up in the north you had berries/crab apples and some BC produce trucked north depending on season. Everything else was very limited options and/or quantities....and don't ask about prices. Canned and frozen goods were the common replacement for most side dishes. And the first garden harvests were always a nice mini-celebration compared to more canned beans.
Fair point. Much of it is lifestyle and availability due to better transportation and growing /packaging methods to enable long distance transportation. Growing up, I had no idea what an Avocado was and products like Strawberries and Watermelon were in-season treats.
 

"Canadians who are in the United States for 30 days or longer will soon have to register their information with the United States government, according to a notice obtained by ABC News."

"Those who stay for longer than 30 days will be required to apply for registration with the federal government and be fingerprinted starting on April 11, according to the rule, which is expected to be posted on the federal register Wednesday"

Closer monitoring of Canadians within the USA just announced, and, finger-printing...

Be interesting to see how this will effect the snowbirds next fall.
 
King Lear comes to mind ;)

"Blow, winds, and crack your cheeks! rage! blow!
You cataracts and hurricanoes, spout
Till you have drench’d our steeples, drown’d the cocks!"


Trump lashes out at Canada, promising major tariff hike and financial penalties that will be 'so big'​

U.S. president says he will double steel and aluminum tariffs to 50%​



 
Be interesting to see how this will effect the snowbirds next fall.
If it becomes a real issue, it will effect their real estate sectors in some southern states.

A smart country, say Portugal or Spain, would be looking at this as an opportunity to gather up some of these snow birds and gently guide them to their shores. The cost of living for 1, 2, 3+ months in Portugal/Spain is substantially cheaper overall (including flights) than being in Florida/Arizona.
 
Dangerous and dishonest rhetoric.

He needs to get it through his head we will NEVER be American, and that yes, there would be many Canadians willing to use violence to ensure that.

He has delusions that his country’s manufacturing sector can cleanly and easily pivot to onshore. He cannot destroy our auto sector without destroying his own- and he’ll be doing so just in time for the midterms. At the same time as he chokes his agricultural sector of labour, he’ll drive their fertilizer costs higher and shrink their export markets.

He’s determined to rediscover all at once all the reasons modern economies have moved away from 1600s style mercantilism.

How much of his self-destructive bullshit are Americans going to sit there and take?
 
Dangerous and dishonest rhetoric.

He needs to get it through his head we will NEVER be American, and that yes, there would be many Canadians willing to use violence to ensure that.

He has delusions that his country’s manufacturing sector can cleanly and easily pivot to onshore. He cannot destroy our auto sector without destroying his own- and he’ll be doing so just in time for the midterms. At the same time as he chokes his agricultural sector of labour, he’ll drive their fertilizer costs higher and shrink their export markets.

He’s determined to rediscover all at once all the reasons modern economies have moved away from 1600s style mercantilism.

How much of his self-destructive bullshit are Americans going to sit there and take?
One thing that is becoming clear here is that Americans might be the most cowardly and apathetic people on the planet right now. Look at the nationalistic show of force happening in Canada of all places. Different political factions, neighbours, communities uniting to send the message we are not for sale. Compare that to the feckless democrats with their colour coordination in Congress and spineless Republicans clapping along to economic meltdown caused by their dementia-ridden Dear Leader.
 
One thing that is becoming clear here is that Americans might be the most cowardly and apathetic people on the planet right now. Look at the nationalistic show of force happening in Canada of all places. Different political factions, neighbours, communities uniting to send the message we are not for sale. Compare that to the feckless democrats with their colour coordination in Congress and spineless Republicans clapping along to economic meltdown caused by their dementia-ridden Dear Leader.
Hey we are busy tanking Tesla right now --

One at a time...
 
Would you help the RCMP confiscate civilian owned firearms if the government ordered the military to do so?
What does that have to do with soldiers defending our country during a hypothetical American incursion? Complete reductio ad absurdum. What an obviously bad faith question. Has me wondering, would you defend your country from an American invasion? Call it hypothetical.
 
What does that have to do with soldiers defending our country during a hypothetical American incursion? Complete reductio ad absurdum. What an obviously bad faith question. Has me wondering, would you defend your country from an American invasion? Call it hypothetical.
I think that is being overly hypothetical - as I tend to believe that Gen Milley was correct


I do not believe the US Military would do anything if given an order to invade Canada, other than remove the President from office.
 
Perhaps we should adopt the Swedes first general order if invaded.
Which goes along the lines of . That no order or orders to surrender are to ever considered as valid under any circumstances.
Comes out of observing the Norwegian experience during WWII. And of course looking at Soviet tactics involving deception at both the tactical and strategic level.
 
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