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Trump administration 2024-2028

Czech_pivo said:
Lots of chickens that have yet to laid a single egg in the scenario's that you've pointed out above.
I seem to remember him saying that Mexico was going to pay for some wall to be built in his last term? How did that work out again?
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Are we still single digit weeks into this administration? I'm still waiting on our PM to make announcements of success like that. But instead all I've heard is we are a nation of bigots that should be ashamed of our history.

Instead of seeking to lay criticism for an 8 year old statement of no relevance to today, you should ask yourself how Trump managed to stop the migrant flood at the southern border in such a short amount of time when the Democrats were saying it wasn't possible... the other important question to ask is why did Biden enable a flood of illegals in the first place? As Reagan said: a nation that cannot control it's borders is not a nation.
 
QV said:
Are we still single digit weeks into this administration? I'm still waiting on our PM to make announcements of success like that. But instead all I've heard is we are a nation of bigots that should be ashamed of our history.

Instead of seeking to lay criticism for an 8 year old statement of no relevance to today, you should ask yourself how Trump managed to stop the migrant flood at the southern border in such a short amount of time when the Democrats were saying it wasn't possible... the other important question to ask is why did Biden enable a flood of illegals in the first place? As Reagan said: a nation that cannot control it's borders is not a nation.
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No, what you should be asking yourself is why NOT A SINGLE American citizen or CORPORATION has been fined and/or sent to prison or shut down for their continued hiring for decades and decades of illegal immigrants.

IF no one in the US would hire these illegals then the vast vast majority would not be going to the US in the first place.

But that will NEVER happen because no one in the US is willing to pay 6-8$ for a head of leaf lettuce that it would cost in order to pay enough money for an American to bust their ass off each and every day to pick left lettuce.

Its the same fricking reason we have to bring in 5,000 migrant Mexicans to the Leamington area to pick our greenhouse produce while a short 35km bus ride away Windsor Ontario sits at 9.4% unemployment. Because the CDNs in Windsor are too fricking lazy/'proud' to pick greenhouse vegetables for 18$/hr with full benefits at 48hr work weeks.
 
Czech_pivo said:
No, what you should be asking yourself is why NOT A SINGLE American citizen or CORPORATION has been fined and/or sent to prison or shut down for their continued hiring for decades and decades of illegal immigrants.

IF no one in the US would hire these illegals then the vast vast majority would not be going to the US in the first place.

But that will NEVER happen because no one in the US is willing to pay 6-8$ for a head of leaf lettuce that it would cost in order to pay enough money for an American to bust their ass off each and every day to pick left lettuce.

Its the same fricking reason we have to bring in 5,000 migrant Mexicans to the Leamington area to pick our greenhouse produce while a short 35km bus ride away Windsor Ontario sits at 9.4% unemployment. Because the CDNs in Windsor are too fricking lazy/'proud' to pick greenhouse vegetables for 18$/hr with full benefits at 48hr work weeks.
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In theory it should all work in a sync or in a circle, no ?

Very simply put producers have to pay their workers to be able to afford what they produce. So if a producer is out of whack in pricing that should correct itself by either devaluing or dying because no one is buying their product.

I'm no economist... just musing.
 
Czech_pivo said:
No, what you should be asking yourself is why NOT A SINGLE American citizen or CORPORATION has been fined and/or sent to prison or shut down for their continued hiring for decades and decades of illegal immigrants.

IF no one in the US would hire these illegals then the vast vast majority would not be going to the US in the first place.

But that will NEVER happen because no one in the US is willing to pay 6-8$ for a head of leaf lettuce that it would cost in order to pay enough money for an American to bust their ass off each and every day to pick left lettuce.

Its the same fricking reason we have to bring in 5,000 migrant Mexicans to the Leamington area to pick our greenhouse produce while a short 35km bus ride away Windsor Ontario sits at 9.4% unemployment. Because the CDNs in Windsor are too fricking lazy/'proud' to pick greenhouse vegetables for 18$/hr with full benefits at 48hr work weeks.
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The mass illegal migrant issue is a national security risk. What you speak of is an economic problem for a particular industry.

I agree what you state should be looked at also. But first, the flood gates need to be buttoned up.
 
QV said:
The mass illegal migrant issue is a national security risk. What you speak of is an economic problem for a particular industry.

I agree what you state should be looked at also. But first, the flood gates need to be buttoned up.
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A particular industry - dude have you travelled throughout the US in any great manner?

Its in ALL industries - construction, landscaping, housecleaning, manufacturing - everywhere!

Its become a 'National Security' risk BECAUSE of the flow of cheap working labour going into the US! The economic 'problem' has directly lead to the 'National Security' risk. Start throwing ordinary Americans - men and women - into prison for hiring these illegals to clean their house, cook their meals, watch their kids, mow their lawns, landscape their houses, put new roofs on their houses and guess what will happen? The flow of new illegals will become a trickle and a large number of the existing ones will start to return home.

The vast majority of illegals go to the US for WORK. Stop the work by fining or putting into prison the people/companies who hire them in the first and the problem becomes much much smaller.
 
Halifax Tar said:
In theory it should all work in a sync or in a circle, no ?

Very simply put producers have to pay their workers to be able to afford what they produce. So if a producer is out of whack in pricing that should correct itself by either devaluing or dying because no one is buying their product.

I'm no economist... just musing.
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I hear that your saying. Try looking at it like this.

If I'm from Windsor and I'm unemployed and have very very low skills, what are my options? Hope for an opening in a manufacturing facility to open up or stay on the dole.

IF I was to take up an offer by 1 of the many many greenhouses in Leamington for FT work what would I get out of it? Well, I know for a fact that a number of these greenhouses had tried in the past to offer FREE transport from Windsor directly to the greenhouses in Leamington daily - I'm not sure if they still do or not.
So if they do, my 'to' and 'from' work is covered off free of charge.
I'm getting 18$+/hr in wages
I'm getting full benefits
And I'm working 48hrs/week


So lets assume I get 18$/hr starting * 48hrs weeks = 864$/week
864$/week * 52weeks = 44,928$/yr
If I'm married and my spouse works with me and makes the same wage or 45k/yr, that's a family income of 90k/yr.

You may not think that 90k/yr for a non-skilled worker is alot of money and its not in some areas of the country. But in Windsor - you can live comfortably on that. You're not going to live in a great neighbourhood, your not going to be vacationing yearly in Florida at Disney but you are going to be able to afford a house, a car and have food on the table.

Here is a house in the neighbourhood where I went to grade school at in Windsor. Its a lower/middle income neighbourhood. A place that if you work hard, put your head down and LEARN in school that you can easily make something of yourself and leave if you want.


That house that I posted is 3.5X this 'families' wage. A person can afford this house on the wages that I've laid out above.

So, what I'm trying to say is - an unskilled worker in Windsor CAN live and survive on the wages that they are providing to the 5,000 Mexicans doing this work.

And before anyone says, 'oh it must be tough work in bad conditions, easy for you to say go and do this' - well as a University student when I was getting my undergrad degree I worked at the Chrysler minivan plant (the old Plant 3) for just about 2yrs every friday night, all day saturday and the occasional monday night as a student relief worker. The conditions will brutally hot in the summer (they would shut the plant down if it hit 100dgrees in the summer), incredibly loud, dirty, manual labour for an 8hr shift.
 
Czech_pivo said:
I hear that your saying. Try looking at it like this.

If I'm from Windsor and I'm unemployed and have very very low skills, what are my options? Hope for an opening in a manufacturing facility to open up or stay on the dole.

IF I was to take up an offer by 1 of the many many greenhouses in Leamington for FT work what would I get out of it? Well, I know for a fact that a number of these greenhouses had tried in the past to offer FREE transport from Windsor directly to the greenhouses in Leamington daily - I'm not sure if they still do or not.
So if they do, my 'to' and 'from' work is covered off free of charge.
I'm getting 18$+/hr in wages
I'm getting full benefits
And I'm working 48hrs/week


So lets assume I get 18$/hr starting * 48hrs weeks = 864$/week
864$/week * 52weeks = 44,928$/yr
If I'm married and my spouse works with me and makes the same wage or 45k/yr, that's a family income of 90k/yr.

You may not think that 90k/yr for a non-skilled worker is alot of money and its not in some areas of the country. But in Windsor - you can live comfortably on that. You're not going to live in a great neighbourhood, your not going to be vacationing yearly in Florida at Disney but you are going to be able to afford a house, a car and have food on the table.

Here is a house in the neighbourhood where I went to grade school at in Windsor. Its a lower/middle income neighbourhood. A place that if you work hard, put your head down and LEARN in school that you can easily make something of yourself and leave if you want.


That house that I posted is 3.5X this 'families' wage. A person can afford this house on the wages that I've laid out above.

So, what I'm trying to say is - an unskilled worker in Windsor CAN live and survive on the wages that they are providing to the 5,000 Mexicans doing this work.

And before anyone says, 'oh it must be tough work in bad conditions, easy for you to say go and do this' - well as a University student when I was getting my undergrad degree I worked at the Chrysler minivan plant (the old Plant 3) for just about 2yrs every friday night, all day saturday and the occasional monday night as a student relief worker. The conditions will brutally hot in the summer (they would shut the plant down if it hit 100dgrees in the summer), incredibly loud, dirty, manual labour for an 8hr shift.
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That's almost the exact house I live in now.

And i could probably get 5 to 6 hundred K for it now. I bought it for 234k.

Anyways, I guess my point is as prices go up wages must to too or we simply can't buy from the economy. That's my theory anyways. Lol

I do appreciate the response, something to think about.
 
Halifax Tar said:
That's almost the exact house I live in now.

And i could probably get 5 to 6 hundred K for it now. I bought it for 234k.

Anyways, I guess my point is as prices go up wages must to too or we simply can't buy from the economy. That's my theory anyways. Lol

I do appreciate the response, something to think about.
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That house in the same neighbourhood back in the financial crises of 2008/09 would have been on the market about about 110k
 
Czech_pivo said:
I hear that your saying. Try looking at it like this.

If I'm from Windsor and I'm unemployed and have very very low skills, what are my options? Hope for an opening in a manufacturing facility to open up or stay on the dole.

IF I was to take up an offer by 1 of the many many greenhouses in Leamington for FT work what would I get out of it? Well, I know for a fact that a number of these greenhouses had tried in the past to offer FREE transport from Windsor directly to the greenhouses in Leamington daily - I'm not sure if they still do or not.
So if they do, my 'to' and 'from' work is covered off free of charge.
I'm getting 18$+/hr in wages
I'm getting full benefits
And I'm working 48hrs/week


So lets assume I get 18$/hr starting * 48hrs weeks = 864$/week
864$/week * 52weeks = 44,928$/yr
If I'm married and my spouse works with me and makes the same wage or 45k/yr, that's a family income of 90k/yr.

You may not think that 90k/yr for a non-skilled worker is alot of money and its not in some areas of the country. But in Windsor - you can live comfortably on that. You're not going to live in a great neighbourhood, your not going to be vacationing yearly in Florida at Disney but you are going to be able to afford a house, a car and have food on the table.

Here is a house in the neighbourhood where I went to grade school at in Windsor. Its a lower/middle income neighbourhood. A place that if you work hard, put your head down and LEARN in school that you can easily make something of yourself and leave if you want.


That house that I posted is 3.5X this 'families' wage. A person can afford this house on the wages that I've laid out above.

So, what I'm trying to say is - an unskilled worker in Windsor CAN live and survive on the wages that they are providing to the 5,000 Mexicans doing this work.

And before anyone says, 'oh it must be tough work in bad conditions, easy for you to say go and do this' - well as a University student when I was getting my undergrad degree I worked at the Chrysler minivan plant (the old Plant 3) for just about 2yrs every friday night, all day saturday and the occasional monday night as a student relief worker. The conditions will brutally hot in the summer (they would shut the plant down if it hit 100dgrees in the summer), incredibly loud, dirty, manual labour for an 8hr shift.
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Better yet, improve the temporary worker program, so those workers can come in, work above the table and be able to go home and return. That means they have some legal protections and won't be abused by their bosses.
 
Czech_pivo said:
And before anyone says, 'oh it must be tough work in bad conditions, easy for you to say go and do this' - well as a University student when I was getting my undergrad degree I worked at the Chrysler minivan plant (the old Plant 3) for just about 2yrs every friday night, all day saturday and the occasional monday night as a student relief worker. The conditions will brutally hot in the summer (they would shut the plant down if it hit 100dgrees in the summer), incredibly loud, dirty, manual labour for an 8hr shift.
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They bused us on field trip to the Ford plant in Oakville when I was in high school.

Watched a guy on the Trim line. Used a goofy looking apparatus with large suction cups. Resembled an octopus being crucified.

Car, windshield. Car, windshield.

That kind of repetition didn't look any fun at all.
 
mariomike said:
They bused us on field trip to the Ford plant in Oakville when I was in high school.

Watched a guy on the Trim line. Used a goofy looking apparatus with large suction cups. Resembled an octopus being crucified.

Car, windshield. Car, windshield.

That kind of repetition didn't look any fun at all.
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I think back then in 1989 the pace was 62 mini vans an hour for 7.5hrs
 
Pam Bondi is going to need more prosecutors if the latest DOGE discovered grift at the United States Institute of Peace is any indication.
 
mariomike said:
They bused us on field trip to the Ford plant in Oakville when I was in high school.

Watched a guy on the Trim line. Used a goofy looking apparatus with large suction cups. Resembled an octopus being crucified.

Car, windshield. Car, windshield.

That kind of repetition didn't look any fun at all.
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I did alot of work in various mills over the years and was always endlessly impressed at how diligent and hard working the people there generally were.

They were almost always universally genuinely proud of the results they achieved too, and looking for ways to - literally - make things better.

To me, what they did looked boring. To them, it was a work of art...
 
mariomike said:
Worse things than boring. At least they knew what was coming next.

Car, windshield. Car, windshield. Car, windshield.
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The old timers knew exactly where the line would end at their workstation.
When there was about 5mins left, those guys would gather up all the extra parts they needed for their job and start quickly moving up the line, doing their job in the workstation of the guys ahead of them - and those guys would do the same.
So that when the bell went and the line stopped, the mini van right in front of their workstation would be the next one needing their part and they’d already be gone, off to the clock to time stamp out and beat the rush of 2,500 people all trying to get out, get to their car and get home as fast as they could.
 
Czech_pivo said:
The old timers knew exactly where the line would end at their workstation.
When there was about 5mins left, those guys would gather up all the extra parts they needed for their job and start quickly moving up the line, doing their job in the workstation of the guys ahead of them - and those guys would do the same.
So that when the bell went and the line stopped, the mini van right in front of their workstation would be the next one needing their part and they’d already be gone, off to the clock to time stamp out and beat the rush of 2,500 people all trying to get out, get to their car and get home as fast as they could.
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I love that sh*t ;)
 
Instead of fretting about Trump, Stubb believes that Europeans should “calm down, take a nice bath, take a sauna, take a deep breath” and “engage rather than disengage”. He is in town presumably to pass on just that message to Sir Keir Starmer.
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Finland’s president: ‘I just met Donald Trump. Russia is running out of time’

After meeting the US leader, Alexander Stubb is guardedly optimistic about Ukraine and the strength of the Atlantic alliance
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