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Trump administration 2024-2028

Blackadder1916 said:
As much as many will immediately associate a rise in political violence with the attitudes, pronouncements and general antics of the current US administration, perhaps discussion of this latest incident should be moved to a separate thread or to an existing "general terrorism" thread. There is enough happening in the world that can be directly linked to the Trump administration to fill many more pages here.
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These assassinations would fit here: A Deeply Fractured US
 
Much remains to be learned regarding if this was MAGA vs someone else with a significant axe to grind.
 
McG said:
These assassinations would fit here: A Deeply Fractured US
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I proposed that thread be reopened last week, it’s still locked. I’ll take the opportunity to repeat the suggestion.

Regarding the attempted and completed assassinations, ABC has a much more detailed story. Police were proactively checking on the safety of other politicians, and arrived as the assassin was exiting the residence. He opened fire on them and fled. No word if any police are hurt.

 
Blackadder1916 said:
I haven't seen any "national" 250th anniversary parades scheduled for October 13th. Or November 10th. Oh wait, the Corps always does a birthday party each year with a cake.

I was looking for an appropriate Will Rogers' quote. I faintly remember something about if you're going to honour the men in uniform you shouldn't make them march by you, instead they should sit in the stands and you should march by them. However couldn't find attribution, maybe somebody else. Personally, the only parades that are in the American national consciousness are the Macy's Thanksgiving Day parade, the Rose Bowl parade and the Mardi Gras parade in New Orleans. The appropriate metaphors for America; commercialism, football and debauchery.
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The Marine Corps ball is a remarkably couth approach, especially as an all-ranks thing.

As for Army birthday parades: if some sort of "march out of the garrison with flags and band, route to conclude in local park with beer, beef, and hopefully adoring civilians" thing didn't evolve in 18-whatever, the moment has probably passed.

Is there a US equivalent to freedom of the city?

Saw the assassination stuff. Nothing useful to add.
 
Sorry, here’s a link to the (now updated) ABC story.

abcnews.go.com

Minnesota lawmaker Melissa Hortman killed, State Sen. John Hoffman wounded in 'targeted political violence'

A manhunt is underway for the gunman who was impersonating a police officer and had a list of possible targets, officials said.
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ABC is quoting law enforcement sources as saying numerous state and federal Democrat elected representatives and officials were named in the hit list, and that police are investigating “extreme views on abortion” as a potential motivation.

“The list included dozens of other Democrats from Minnesota, including Gov. Walz, Rep. Ilhan Omar, Sen. Tina Smith and Attorney General Keith Ellison, according to law enforcement sources familiar with the matter.

Law enforcement officials are looking into whether the suspect may have been motivated by extreme views on abortion, the sources said.”
 
KevinB said:
Yeah but it’s limited in scope both geographically to the US and to Democrat politicians, so probably best fit into the thread @brihard and @McG identified earlier.
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Seen. However, I was thinking about the possible abortion angle that was mentioned, which often has a religious component to motive. So many crazies, so many threads. How to match them?
 
It's gonna be loony tunes time for the conspiracy theorists.

kstp.com

57-year-old suspect sought in targeted shootings of Minnesota state lawmakers

Speaker Emerita Melissa Hortman and her husband have died after they were shot at their home in Brooklyn Park.
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UPDATE: Authorities say the suspect sought in connection with the shootings of state lawmakers Melissa Hortman and John Hoffman is 57-year-old Vance Boelter, sources confirmed to the Associated Press.

Documents obtained by 5 EYEWITNESS NEWS show Boelter, whose current address is listed in Green Isle, Minnesota, was twice appointed to the nonpartisan Governor’s Workforce Development Council in 2016 under former Gov. Mark Dayton and again in 2019 under Gov. Tim Walz. His most recent term expired in January 2023.
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McG said:
Good advice
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Useless advice, intended only for political advantage/propaganda in the moment. Democrats will go right back to playing with fire as soon as it suits their needs. I suppose this to be true because I've observed several cycles.

As long as people persist in pretending this is a one-sided issue, the issue will persist.
 
Brad Sallows said:
"And tomorrow, we are going to witness a military parade in DC that just happens to coincide with Trump’s 79th birthday and the Army’s 250th."

The shared date can be nothing but a coincidence, with just over 170 years between the birth of each and pretty much no practical way for any woman to plan an exact date for the birth of a child. June 14 is also Flag Day. Coincidences abound.

So that leaves the "coincidence of a military parade". The army could do without a celebration, or something less showy (and expensive). Too bad we can't run a counter-factual in which Trump is not the president on the army's 250th anniversary to see just what would be acceptable.

The run up to 2026 (1776+250) is going to be politically interesting, and the celebrations will be expensive. It's asking a bit much for the country to stiff itself just because some people can't stand their self-aggrandizing president trying to get in the frame of every picture.

This ongoing fray over illegal immigration reminds me of the Ukraine war. Escalate and win, make peace and cut losses, or just keep it going to bleed Russia at the cost of bleeding Ukraine. Option #2 for Trump, and #3 for Democrats and NeverTrump Republicans. On immigration: grant citizenship en masse, deport en masse, or just keep them as a class of peasants. Option #2 for Trump, and #3 for Democrats and NeverTrump Republicans.

If anyone wants to claim the high ground of #1 (of either) on behalf of Democrats and NeverTrump Republicans, they've got a hard case to prove.
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I won't blame anyone.

I'll just sit back and watch all the regulars who claim moral superiority by blaming everything on "TDS" do their thing. The fucking irony.
 
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