"Lab-grown meat makers sue Texas over ban on cultivated protein"

[The Bread Guy]

This seems to be all over food production media & TX MSM.

Lab-grown meat makers sue Texas over ban on cultivated protein

As more states restrict sales, startups Wildtype and Upside Foods argue the laws could threaten the survival of the nascent industry.

www.fooddive.com

Federal Lawsuit Challenges New Texas Law Banning Cultivated Meat Products

Two California-based companies filed a constitutional challenge to a new Texas law banning their meat products grown from animal cells.

thetexan.news

And it ain't just Texas, either, for now (similar bans are in place in Alabama, Mississippi, Montana, Nebraska, Indiana).

Federal lawsuit against Florida ban on 'lab-grown' meat still alive after judge's ruling

A lawsuit against Florida’s ban on “lab-grown” meat is still alive after a federal judge tossed four parts of the lawsuit but kept a fifth.

apnews.com

Big Lab vs. Big Cattle - let's see how it goes.

Company's filing attached if you're interested in the true nitty-gritty.

 

[ArmyRick]

This seems to be all over food production media & TX MSM.

Lab-grown meat makers sue Texas over ban on cultivated protein

As more states restrict sales, startups Wildtype and Upside Foods argue the laws could threaten the survival of the nascent industry.

www.fooddive.com

Federal Lawsuit Challenges New Texas Law Banning Cultivated Meat Products

Two California-based companies filed a constitutional challenge to a new Texas law banning their meat products grown from animal cells.

thetexan.news

And it ain't just Texas, either, for now (similar bans are in place in Alabama, Mississippi, Montana, Nebraska, Indiana).

Federal lawsuit against Florida ban on 'lab-grown' meat still alive after judge's ruling

A lawsuit against Florida’s ban on “lab-grown” meat is still alive after a federal judge tossed four parts of the lawsuit but kept a fifth.

apnews.com

Big Lab vs. Big Cattle - let's see how it goes.

Company's filing attached if you're interested in the true nitty-gritty.

I have been following the trend and false promises of phony meat industry (They competition-ish). Truth be told, its not meat and just doesn't pass muster with people.

I could go on and on about human evolution based on our extremely high MEAT det, but skip it. Its just what people don't want, its NOT good for the environment and quite frankly a waste of resources.

 

[brihard]

I have been following the trend and false promises of phony meat industry (They competition-ish). Truth be told, its not meat and just doesn't pass muster with people.

I could go on and on about human evolution based on our extremely high MEAT det, but skip it. It’s just what people don't want, it’s NOT good for the environment and quite frankly a waste of resources.

Ok, but is any of that grounds to legally forbid it?

 

[OldSolduer]

I have been following the trend and false promises of phony meat industry (They competition-ish). Truth be told, its not meat and just doesn't pass muster with people.

I could go on and on about human evolution based on our extremely high MEAT det, but skip it. Its just what people don't want, its NOT good for the environment and quite frankly a waste of resources.

MEAT!!!!
The ORIGINAL plant based food.

I made that point to some of my Indian co workers and they laughed like hell.

 

[lenaitch]

I think one of the mistakes the industry made when products such as 'Beyond Beef' came on the market was using the terms 'meat' or beef'. It probably made sense from a marketing perspective but they had to know they were going to butt into the actual meat industry. Similar to fights between the dairy industry and products like Almond Milk.

 

[OldSolduer]

Why are humans such a stupid and forgetful species?

The alligator has survived for 60 million years......somehow I think they will outlast humanity

 

[RangerRay]

MEAT!!!!
The ORIGINAL plant based food.

I made that point to some of my Indian co workers and they laughed like hell.

My wife put a salad in front of me for dinner one evening. I said “That’s not food. That’s what food eats!”

 

[Kirkhill]

Ok, but is any of that grounds to legally forbid it?

Yep.

Having been around for margarine to replace butter on health grounds only to have butter vindicated on trans fatty acid grounds I am a decided traditionalist.

The latest nonsense is those ultra-processed purists who won't eat a can of baked beans (God's own ambrosia) but will eat chemically isolated pea proteins marketed as Beyond Meat.

I have built those plants. I have also built sausage plants. You are better off with Slim Jims and jerky.

This extruded petri dish protein is another triumph of my Food Science brethren with too much time and money on their hands and the opportunity to play with all sorts of esoteric technologies.

We used chemicals to determine what chemicals made up food. Now we are using those same chemicals to make the chemicals that make our food. What started as a confirmation of whether or not we understood the biochemistry of food has become somebody's marketable IPO (Initial Public Offering).

Another example of technology run amok? Steak and eggs or a full English replaced by Kellogg's tasteless bits of cardboard. The only nutrition you get from that crap is the vitamins they add and the milk you eat it with.

F*ck Single Cell Protein.

 

[lenaitch]

My wife put a salad in front of me for dinner one evening. I said “That’s not food. That’s what food eats!”

Classic John Pinette.

 

[brihard]

Yep.

Having been around for margarine to replace butter on health grounds only to have butter vindicated on trans fatty acid grounds I am a decided traditionalist.

The latest nonsense is those ultra-processed purists who won't eat a can of baked beans (God's own ambrosia) but will eat chemically isolated pea proteins marketed as Beyond Meat.

I have built those plants. I have also built sausage plants. You are better off with Slim Jims and jerky.

This extruded petri dish protein is another triumph of my Food Science brethren with too much time and money on their hands and the opportunity to play with all sorts of esoteric technologies.

We used chemicals to determine what chemicals made up food. Now we are using those same chemicals to make the chemicals that make our food. What started as a confirmation of whether or not we understood the biochemistry of food has become somebody's marketable IPO (Initial Public Offering).

Another example of technology run amok? Steak and eggs or a full English replaced by Kellogg's tasteless bits of cardboard. The only nutrition you get from that crap is the vitamins they add and the milk you eat it with.

F*ck Single Cell Protein.

Ok, so I see a compelling case for you to choose not to buy it, but I’m not seeing anything justifying why the state should ban it.

 

[Kirkhill]

Ok, so I see a compelling case for you to choose not to buy it, but I’m not seeing anything justifying why the state should ban it.

False advertising?

 

[lenaitch]

Yep.

Having been around for margarine to replace butter on health grounds only to have butter vindicated on trans fatty acid grounds I am a decided traditionalist.

The latest nonsense is those ultra-processed purists who won't eat a can of baked beans (God's own ambrosia) but will eat chemically isolated pea proteins marketed as Beyond Meat.

I have built those plants. I have also built sausage plants. You are better off with Slim Jims and jerky.

This extruded petri dish protein is another triumph of my Food Science brethren with too much time and money on their hands and the opportunity to play with all sorts of esoteric technologies.

We used chemicals to determine what chemicals made up food. Now we are using those same chemicals to make the chemicals that make our food. What started as a confirmation of whether or not we understood the biochemistry of food has become somebody's marketable IPO (Initial Public Offering).

Another example of technology run amok? Steak and eggs or a full English replaced by Kellogg's tasteless bits of cardboard. The only nutrition you get from that crap is the vitamins they add and the milk you eat it with.

F*ck Single Cell Protein.

All good points, but they don't answer the question. If the State is going to ban products on their nutritional or social benefit, look out Jos Louis, rice cakes Whatapp, US beer and Cricket.

If there is a market and the product isn't a public health hazard, caveat emptor?

 

[brihard]

False advertising?

You don’t ban products from sale for that. If in fact there’s a violation of labelling or advertising regulations (it’s not clear if there are), then just enforce that.

If these products pass food safety requirements, I personally see no reason consumers shouldn’t be free to make an informed choice.

Given how much absolute garbage is sold for human consumption, the bar for banning new foodstuffs should be fairly high.

 

[Halifax Tar]

You lost me a lab grown meat...

No thanks.

 

[ArmyRick]

Ok, but is any of that grounds to legally forbid it?

They ban lots of other shit that is deemed "unhealthy" and rest assured lab grown garbage is extremely unhealthy. And under no circumstances should it be allowed to be called beef or meat. Its not. I don't market my lamb chops as recycled vegetables. This is kind of a moot point arguing, this shits is basically done and has zero future.

At the least, let the lone star state decide whats good for them.

 

[brihard]

They ban lots of other shit that is deemed "unhealthy" and rest assured lab grown garbage is extremely unhealthy. And under no circumstances should it be allowed to be called beef or meat. Its not. I don't market my lamb chops as recycled vegetables. This is kind of a moot point arguing, this shits is basically done and has zero future.

At the least, let the lone star state decide whats good for them.

I didn’t realize there was enough to actually say at this point whether this still very new and emergent food tech was creating ‘unhealthy’ products. Respectfully I’m not going to just ‘rest assured’ on that by someone with skin in the game. I’d like to know what the science is on it.

I’m not sold on it myself - give me a proper steak any day - but I don’t see any compelling case made to ban this kind of innovation. Anyone who doesn’t want it can choose not to buy it (like me). But there’s a lot of stuff I don’t want that I just don’t buy.

 

[ArmyRick]

I’d like to know what the science is on it.

There is plenty of science saying anything seed oils and/or heavy in refined carbohydrates are really bad, bad news. There is a huge lobby to counter this.

Use your instincts. Or I will help you. Eat nothing but Steak, Butter and salt and you can live a very long, healthy life. Eat nothing but canola oil, corn oil, pea and soy protein and various sugar and starches and watch the diseases rack up big time.

If your not aware of keto and carnivore, that is a very large rabbit hole to go down. Way beyond this thread.

but I don’t see any compelling case made to ban this kind of innovation.

I agree with you there however I also have a thing against dictating to foreign nations how they should legislate. If people in Texas are pissed enough about the ban, hopefully they contact their state legislators.

That being said, for a Canadian context, I don't want us to have to legislate against it (that gets into Nanny state), however I would never want to see any tax dollars going to start it or subsidize or bail it out.

 

[MrWhyt]

There is plenty of science saying anything seed oils and/or heavy in refined carbohydrates are really bad, bad news. There is a huge lobby to counter this.

this isn't plant protein being made into a meat like substance. This is lab grown meat produced from animal cells.

 

[Kirkhill]

You don’t ban products from sale for that. If in fact there’s a violation of labelling or advertising regulations (it’s not clear if there are), then just enforce that.

If these products pass food safety requirements, I personally see no reason consumers shouldn’t be free to make an informed choice.

Given how much absolute garbage is sold for human consumption, the bar for banning new foodstuffs should be fairly high.

Actually we do ban products for that. Check the Food and Drugs Act and Safe Food for Canadians Regulations.

They are thick books and are frequently revised.

 

[ArmyRick]

this isn't plant protein being made into a meat like substance. This is lab grown meat produced from animal cells.

Redundant, pointless and stupid. Animals grow animal cells best