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What Could Canada's Constitutional (Monarchy?) Look Like? (split from Andrew Mountbatten Arrested)

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PMMC: Out you go, then!
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Canadian PM Mark Carney says former prince Andrew should be removed from royal line of succession

Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor’s ‘deplorable’ alleged actions warrant his removal from the royal line of succession, Carney says
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Canada's PM calls for Andrew to be removed from line of succession

Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor was arrested on suspicion of misconduct in public office last month.
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Carney says former prince Andrew should be removed from line to throne - National | Globalnews.ca

The comments were notable coming from the leader of a member of the Commonwealth, all 14 of which would need to approve a change to the line of succession.
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Canada Monarchy Support Declines

Canada Monarchy Support Declines as most see the royals as irrelevant, oppose King Charles, and back removing Prince Andrew from succession.
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Czech_pivo said:
The question should be - Should Canada continue being a Constitutional Monarchy or should Canada become a Republic like the United States. Ask that question and see if you get similar answers…..
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There are republic models other than the United States "presidential republic". Our history would be more conducive to a "parliamentary republic" with an elected (either directly or indirectly) ceremonial head of state. Examples would be Ireland (directly elected) or Germany, Israel, India (indirectly elected).
 
Czech_pivo said:
The question should be - Should Canada continue being a Constitutional Monarchy or should Canada become a Republic like the United States. Ask that question and see if you get similar answers…..
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Yes you're right its a simple binary option.

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Can we do anything without comparing ourselves to America ?
 
Czech_pivo said:
The question should be - Should Canada continue being a Constitutional Monarchy or should Canada become a Republic like the United States. Ask that question and see if you get similar answers…..
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That's a very different question, and generally the actual system of government for a constitutional 'Monarchy' works reasonably well when the Monarch has no authority. I do not personally want another head of state above Parliament (in real terms) or adjacent to it, just adds a lot of mess.
 
Constitutional monarchy might work reasonably well in some countries, but in Canada it has deteriorated into a legislature which does the bidding of the PMO and is no longer fit for purpose.

If Canada were to redesign the structure of its government, separate executive (non-figurehead) and legislative branches should be at the top of the agenda.
 
Since there's the start of robust & detailed stuff on what could/should happen next if Canada gets out from under the Royal mantle, thought it was worth its own thread. Carry on ....

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If we change government systems I would like to go to the Swiss Federal system. It would work well for what we already have established (provinces are basically cantons). Otherwise I would rather stick with what we have.

This system would likely work quite well for Canada and it’s competing regional viewpoints allowing different provinces to choose their own path well still retaining a unitary system. Plus direct democracy is a perk not a con, I don’t need a representative in 2026 when we can access information and communicate anywhere at any time.

Political system

Switzerland is governed under a federal system at three levels: the Confederation, the cantons and the communes. Thanks to direct democracy, citizens can have their say directly on decisions at all political levels. Participation and freedom of action are crucial for a country as geographically...
www.aboutswitzerland.eda.admin.ch www.aboutswitzerland.eda.admin.ch
 
The amendment formula for changing the monarchy requires unanimous consent of the Federal parliament and all 10 Provinces, which means, in practice, that the Canadian monarchy isn’t going anywhere unless we are completely backed into a corner.

One potential forcing function would be if the UK itself eventually ousts the monarchy. The Canadian constitution requires “A Constitution similar in principle to that of the United Kingdom” — what that sentence means in the event of a United Republic would have to be sorted out.

How close is the UK to a Repulbic? Maybe closer than anytime in centuries. Currently, under UK law (the Regency Act) if something were to happen simultaneously to both the King and the Prince of Wales, the disgraced Andrew M-W would become Regent until Prince George turns 18. That would probably push the House of Windsor over the cliff. I really hope those two are taking separate helicopters.
 
I've never quite understood the desire to move away from being a constitutional monarchy and having a Head of State that costs us not a dime, to what end? To make us feel 'all grow'd up'?

If Parliament isn't working, that's on us (or it). There's nothing in legislation that centralizes power in the PMO; it is completely fixable. There is nothing in the Constitution that holds us to single member plurality ('first past the post').

I suspect a lot of people who were polled have little understanding of our democratic processes in the first place.
 
Eaglelord17 said:
If we change government systems I would like to go to the Swiss Federal system. It would work well for what we already have established (provinces are basically cantons). Otherwise I would rather stick with what we have.

This system would likely work quite well for Canada and it’s competing regional viewpoints allowing different provinces to choose their own path well still retaining a unitary system. Plus direct democracy is a perk not a con, I don’t need a representative in 2026 when we can access information and communicate anywhere at any time.

Political system

Switzerland is governed under a federal system at three levels: the Confederation, the cantons and the communes. Thanks to direct democracy, citizens can have their say directly on decisions at all political levels. Participation and freedom of action are crucial for a country as geographically...
www.aboutswitzerland.eda.admin.ch www.aboutswitzerland.eda.admin.ch
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I agree. I think something akin to what the Swiss have would be desirable.

Ostrozac said:
The amendment formula for changing the monarchy requires unanimous consent of the Federal parliament and all 10 Provinces, which means, in practice, that the Canadian monarchy isn’t going anywhere unless we are completely backed into a corner.

One potential forcing function would be if the UK itself eventually ousts the monarchy. The Canadian constitution requires “A Constitution similar in principle to that of the United Kingdom” — what that sentence means in the event of a United Republic would have to be sorted out.

How close is the UK to a Repulbic? Maybe closer than anytime in centuries. Currently, under UK law (the Regency Act) if something were to happen simultaneously to both the King and the Prince of Wales, the disgraced Andrew M-W would become Regent until Prince George turns 18. That would probably push the House of Windsor over the cliff. I really hope those two are taking separate helicopters.
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Politicians bend with the wind. Watch as support continues to drop.
 
It's been a while (decades) since I wore a uniform but was recently at some military events.

Those events featured playing the royal anthem and quite a bit of deference to His Majesty the King.

I'm not certain I could anymore swear loyalty to the King (to Canada, for sure!).

I am not convinced that the current members of the royal family have earned the demonstrated level of deference and loyalty. I think it time we thought about moving on.
 
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