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I thought that you might find this interesting. Not saying that I buy into it but the studying is interesting and warrants more study and understanding.


Scientists have found an alarming environmental impact of vast data centres​

I do buy into it.
If you buy into an inefficient process like generating electricity there will be byproducts.

Heat is a known byproduct of a power plant.

This has been exploited by Europeans who built their power plants in urban areas and harvested the heat to use it effectively.

We, Canadians, choose to strand our power stations in the boonies and leave the heat as a waste product with no viable market.

One solution is to build communities around those stranded sources of cheap heat.

Another is to build new power plants in town and use them to heat the towns and industry, including agro-industry.

A third solution is to park the new data centres and their generators in the middle of the oil sands to assist the extraction process.
 
I do buy into it.
If you buy into an inefficient process like generating electricity there will be byproducts.

Heat is a known byproduct of a power plant.

This has been exploited by Europeans who built their power plants in urban areas and harvested the heat to use it effectively.

We, Canadians, choose to strand our power stations in the boonies and leave the heat as a waste product with no viable market.

One solution is to build communities around those stranded sources of cheap heat.

Another is to build new power plants in town and use them to heat the towns and industry, including agro-industry.

A third solution is to park the new data centres and their generators in the middle of the oil sands to assist the extraction process.

Meanwhile, there might not be that much to panic about...



Calgary’s recent return to water restrictions has had several social media users placing the blame on AI data centres and their massive water consumption.

But how much truth is in that accusation?

Nicole Newton, the city’s director of climate and environment, cited 2024 data from the Canada Energy Regulator confirming there are 11 data centres operating in the city — but when it comes to water usage, they aren’t really making a splash.

“I can assure you that data centres that are operating in Calgary are not among our top users,” Newton said at a press conference Tuesday.

According to the city, residents account for more than 60 per cent of the city's water use, while businesses make up about 30 per cent.

 
Meanwhile, there might not be that much to panic about...



Calgary’s recent return to water restrictions has had several social media users placing the blame on AI data centres and their massive water consumption.

But how much truth is in that accusation?

Nicole Newton, the city’s director of climate and environment, cited 2024 data from the Canada Energy Regulator confirming there are 11 data centres operating in the city — but when it comes to water usage, they aren’t really making a splash.

“I can assure you that data centres that are operating in Calgary are not among our top users,” Newton said at a press conference Tuesday.

According to the city, residents account for more than 60 per cent of the city's water use, while businesses make up about 30 per cent.

How much water does the radiator in your car use?

These data centres operate on the same principle - closed loop liquid circulation with liquid to air heat exchangers. One of our advantages in Alberta, over Mississippi and Dubai, which also have lots of energy, is our air temperature in Fort MacMurray in January.

Personally I would rather that hot water be recirculated through my house. I volunteer to let you use my house as a liquid to air radiator .... and I won't even charge for providing you that service.
 
How much water does the radiator in your car use?

These data centres operate on the same principle - closed loop liquid circulation with liquid to air heat exchangers. One of our advantages in Alberta, over Mississippi and Dubai, which also have lots of energy, is our air temperature in Fort MacMurray in January.

Personally I would rather that hot water be recirculated through my house. I volunteer to let you use my house as a liquid to air radiator .... and I won't even charge for providing you that service.

And that's how Nuclear Power works too AFAIK: super heated water and steam power a la Mr. James Watt...
 
And that's how Nuclear Power works too AFAIK: super heated water and steam power a la Mr. James Watt...
Eggzackly.

It would be kind of neat if we could package heat into a shelf-stable package that could transported safely over long distance without and stored indefinitely.

But living next to a nuclear power plant is good too.
 
Eggzackly.

It would be kind of neat if we could package heat into a shelf-stable package that could transported safely over long distance without and stored indefinitely.

But living next to a nuclear power plant is good too.
then throw in the neighbourhood incinerator for additional heat. There are any number of industries that could easily be net contributors to an urban heat system: just takes imagination.
 
then throw in the neighbourhood incinerator for additional heat. There are any number of industries that could easily be net contributors to an urban heat system: just takes imagination.

I really wish we'd embrace incinerators. They don't just pay themselves off with communal heating, they can also generate electricity while producing that heat.
 
then throw in the neighbourhood incinerator for additional heat. There are any number of industries that could easily be net contributors to an urban heat system: just takes imagination.

Effin' A.

I love me some imagination.
 
Eggzackly.

It would be kind of neat if we could package heat into a shelf-stable package that could transported safely over long distance without and stored indefinitely.

But living next to a nuclear power plant is good too.
There was an attempt to build greenhouses in Ft St John, using waste heat from a garbage incinerator, the project fell through for some reason, but it shows the possible combinations. In the north excess heat can be used to improve food security as well.
 
There was an attempt to build greenhouses in Ft St John, using waste heat from a garbage incinerator, the project fell through for some reason, but it shows the possible combinations. In the north excess heat can be used to improve food security as well.

Now if there were only the forest sector jobs available, like there used to be, to give people a reason to live there ;)
 
Ill bring this up again to get around the pipeline problem, CanaPux, it would require a facility in Asia to turn it back into oil but with this we turn the oil into solid bucks, ship it on dry rail, and then ship it in bulk carriers across the ocean. They float on water so if there was a spill it wont absorb into the ground or water. Would be able to develop and build this much faster then a pipeline.

 
Now if there were only the forest sector jobs available, like there used to be, to give people a reason to live there ;)

Forestry there was never as big as O&G and agriculture.

LP had an OSB mill there when I was there. No idea if it is still there.
 
Ill bring this up again to get around the pipeline problem, CanaPux, it would require a facility in Asia to turn it back into oil but with this we turn the oil into solid bucks, ship it on dry rail, and then ship it in bulk carriers across the ocean. They float on water so if there was a spill it wont absorb into the ground or water. Would be able to develop and build this much faster then a pipeline.

There was a trial run of bitumen pucks to Prince Rupert, it did not seem to gain traction, but did not go away. I suspect costs at the time did not make it economical, but was seen as potentiel future workaround.
 
Forestry there was never as big as O&G and agriculture.

LP had an OSB mill there when I was there. No idea if it is still there.
Used to be sawmill then OSB in Fort Nelson. Last I heard it's closed down in part due to shipping costs of finished product and fiber losses from recent years fires.

Fort St. John had a large sawmill - now closed down. Shipping costs used to be an issue and they have also had some serious fiber losses in recent years. They were also pre-fires dealing with a reduction in fiber due to cumulative impacts from Oil and Gas Development that was recognized in the Blueberry Nation court decision.

Dawson Creek still has the LP OSB mill. Some wood coming to that mill from Alberta private lands and I believe they just picked up another tenure nearby in Alberta

Mackenzie and Chetwynd are up and down depending on the year and have also struggled with high shipping costs/fiber losses.

Unfortunately the forest industry has drastically changed from what our parents (or for what some of us remember).

A chainsaw faller cuts about under 100 m3/day. That's about two log trucks worth in volume.
A feller buncher is about 75 m3/hr...or one buncher cuts about 12 chainsaw men's worth of timber a day.
A couple of grapple skidders are way more efficient than old cable skidders.
Trucks that used haul 20m3 per load are now up to 60m3....
End result significantly few folks involved to generate the same amount of raw timber.

Then add in the sawmill. Used to be a trained man at the debarker, then a skilled guy at the head rig. Maybe someone dealing with the slabs from the head rig. Then someone mid point watching the lumber move from the second rig (cutting the cant into dimensional lumber) to where graders would handle each board. Then more folks stacking bins. To have bins moved to kiln. More folks involved with the wrapping of dried lumber and dealing with the sawdust.

Now...control room by head rig. Auto alignment of each log (no skill needed) and sorted to most efficient production line. no more slabs...its' all hew saws to create chips and generate more useable product. One person walking the line...automatic scanners for lumber graders...and stackers. One person to move the stacks into the kiln. Automatic wrappers. A couple of folks are doing what used to be dozens.

Same deal with shipping finished products. Larger trucks with more product on each load means fewer drivers needed.

And then compound it further with fewer companies involved so less bidding for prices when wood is auctioned off (rare but happens) or less options for employees to argue for wages.

No surprise forestry is not the driver it was in the 50's, 60's, 70's...and started to tail off fast in the 80's with mechanization coming on stream big time.
 
Ironically I've been watching for the last week pipe deliveries showing up nearby. Rail car after railcar. 3 48" diameter pipes per transport truck. Deliver to the laydown yard which is covered in swamp mats to prevent mud issues. Guessing construction starting in August (post migratory bird season) if not earlier on farm land.

But if it's the pipeline I'm thinking its another network connector from the local gas fields to Edmonton hub and won't cross provincial boundaries.

Two years in planning so far.
 
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