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2026 US-Denmark Tensions/End of NATO

Kirkhill said:
Salesfolk use both carrots and sticks. They both discomfit their potential client by pointing out the disadvantages of their current situation, and offer hope of a better future if their solution is purchased.

The Mafia are salesfolk after a fashion.

As are the Chinese and the Russians.
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And those are the salespeople I walk away from.
 
QV said:
The US believed that informing allies prior to their launch would have compromised surprise. I suspect they are correct.
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Fair enough, then don't be surprised when not everybody jumps into the fray. When you send the message that you don't trust the entire rest of the world (maybe except Putin), then the rest of the world won't trust you. Beyond access to foreign bases for fueling, etc., why would a country put their citizens in harm's way - like protect shipping in the Strait - when they either don't know your plan, or do know grains of it and they don't like what they see.

In a somewhat similar vein, it is primarily why other police services didn't rush to Ottawa during the 'Convoy' to bail out OPS. They didn't see a plan worthy of them putting their members at risk. When s plan was formed, things happened.
 
Retired AF Guy said:
Well the Americans are thinking about it, not sure if anyone else is.
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They’re making noises; that doesn’t necessarily constitute thought. Their policy wonks have redecorate and know what mechanisms do and don’t exist.
 
If we could not get rid of Turkey or Hungary, the US can’t get rid of Spain.
 
McG said:
Who is the "we" that tried to get rid of Turkey?
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Sorry, a clumsy word use for describing “some commenters whom I agreed with” wanting to see those countries punted from NATO until it was pointed out that the treaty does not allow for removal of a country from the alliance without their consent.

If that’s wrong, I’m happy to be corrected.
 
In that case, I don't think unrealized desires of online commenters are a relevant measure of limitations on US capabilities to successfully realize similar outcomes. I suspect the Pentagon has more influence than online commenters in the matter of NATO memberships.
 
McG said:
In that case, I don't think unrealized desires of online commenters are a relevant measure of limitations on US capabilities to successfully realize similar outcomes. I suspect the Pentagon has more influence than online commenters in the matter of NATO memberships.
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From Reuters:

Asked whether it is possible to suspend a NATO ally, a NATO official said that "NATO’s Founding Treaty does not foresee any provision for suspension of NATO membership".
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Source. Includes commentary about Falklands Islands.
 
Retired AF Guy said:
From Reuters:



Source. Includes commentary about Falklands Islands.
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What point are you trying to make by telling me things I know? Do you think commenter on the internet have as much influence as the Pentagon on US foreign policy? Do you think Trump particularly cares what is in the NATO agreement given the extent to which he flouts other agreements?

The fact that wishful commenters from the internet (previously identified as “we”) did not cause Turkey to be ejected from NATO does not mean Trump, encouraged by his political appointees in the Pentagon, will not attempt to force the issue for his desires.
 

President Donald Trump’s announcement Wednesday that he was considering pulling some U.S. troops out of Germany stunned defense officials, who scrambled to figure out if the president was serious about following through on his threats this time.

Trump’s social media post was the first that many had heard of a potential new push to take hundreds, if not thousands, of American troops out of Germany, according to three defense officials. It strongly contrasts a recently concluded monthslong review of the Pentagon’s global troop footprint, which did not call for major pullbacks from Europe.

The Pentagon “was not expecting it and has not been planning any kind of drawdown,” said a congressional aide familiar with the situation. “But we have to take him seriously because he was serious about it during his first administration,” referring to Trump’s July 2020 order to pull 12,000 U.S. troops out of Germany that was never implemented.


While previous threats from Trump have not come to fruition, he’s ratcheted up his anti-European rhetoric in his second term, from threatening to pull out of NATO due to allies’ failure to join the Iran war to warning he might seize Greenland.
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www.politico.eu

Trump threatens Sánchez and Meloni with US troops withdrawal

The remarks follow similar threats aimed at Germany’s Chancellor Friedrich Merz earlier this week.
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U.S. President Donald Trump said Thursday he would "probably" remove American troops from Spain and Italy, in renewed attacks against Spanish Prime Minister Pedro Sánchez and Italian leader Giorgia Meloni.

Speaking to reporters in the Oval Office, the American leader said Italy had "not been of any help to us," and accused Spain of being "absolutely horrible." Both Spain and Italy have denied U.S. military planes that are taking part in the Iran war from using their bases.

The remarks follow similar threats aimed at Germany's Chancellor Friedrich Merz earlier this week. All three European NATO allies have been critical of the U.S.-Israel war on Iran.
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Oh boy, I cannot wait for this to go through.
 
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