2026 US-Denmark Tensions/End of NATO

[Brad Sallows]

Silly thing to be concerned about given the weeks of unmistakeable military buildup in the region with extremely specific and noticeable cobalts being openly moved into the region, plus any intelligence getting shared with Iran by their own allies.

Pretending this wasn’t blatantly and massively telegraphed for weeks is silly. Anyone who was surprised that the operation kicked off wasn’t lying attention; it turned from ‘if’ to ‘when’ a couple weeks out.

Regardless, if the U.S. wants to pretend that keeping hoped-for allies in the dark was the way to keep OPSEC, well, then they own all of that choice.

Right. So if everyone knew, the Europeans knew. What was it they had to know in addition to that?

 

[Brad Sallows]

Like i said, I look forward to the americans trying to plan operations in the middle east without European bases.

Especially Ramstein. How many American service members die going forward if they cannot make it to Ramstein?

Oh well.

"Concern" noted, but probably none. The US is somewhat capable of planning military operations.

 

[Altair]

"Concern" noted, but probably none. The US is somewhat capable of planning military operations.

The American military themselves had no idea this was coming. The Pentagon just completed a global troop footprint, which did not call for major pullbacks from Europe.

Nice try though.

 

[brihard]

Right. So if everyone knew, the Europeans knew. What was it they had to know in addition to that?

I already covered that in my earlier post you replied to without quoting.

 

[Brad Sallows]

The American military themselves had no idea this was coming. The Pentagon just completed a global troop footprint, which did not call for major pullbacks from Europe.

Not sure what that has to do with "concern" that service members are going to die. I reiterate, the US military is capable of planning its medical support without Ramstein.

 

[Brad Sallows]

I already covered that in my earlier post you replied to without quoting.

I noticed. Whatever the US might do to mitigate Iranian responses would be useful information to the Iranians, if it were leaked by Europeans made privy to the information.

 

[Altair]

Not sure what that has to do with "concern" that service members are going to die. I reiterate, the US military is capable of planning its medical support without Ramstein.

Hahaha, okay then. If you say so.

 

[Brad Sallows]

Hahaha, okay then. If you say so.

I do say so. The US professional service members are not incompetent. If you want to take the other position here, go ahead.

 

[brihard]

I noticed.

And yet you asked.

Whatever the US might do to mitigate Iranian responses would be useful information to the Iranians, if it were leaked by Europeans made privy to the information.

And European basing for attacks would have been useful to the U.S., as evidenced by the really cranky responses to not getting it.

The whole situation is nicely illustrative of what happens when you spend a year alienating and economically attacking allies, and then expect them to leap to your assistance on the strength of ‘trust me bro’.

 

[Altair]

I do say so. The US professional service members are not incompetent. If you want to take the other position here, go ahead.

I just happen to know how important ramstein is to the american Medevac missions, and how they cannot just replicate it on the fly elsewhere.

But if by the miracle of "planning" you think they can, without Europe, on the whim of a senile commander in chief, well, you do you

I'll love to see it.

 

[Brad Sallows]

I just happen to know how important ramstein is to the american Medevac missions, and how they cannot just replicate it on the fly elsewhere.

That's been obvious to anyone paying attention since Bush the Elder's Gulf War. It doesn't make Ramstein sine qua non for US operations across a large chunk of the globe.

But if by the miracle of "planning" you think they can, without Europe, on the whim of a senile commander in chief, well, you do you

Sure thing. "Me doing me" is doubting the existence of sine qua non fuel for concern trolling.

 

[Altair]

That's been obvious to anyone paying attention since Bush the Elder's Gulf War. It doesn't make Ramstein sine qua non for US operations across a large chunk of the globe.

Sure thing. "Me doing me" is doubting the existence of sine qua non fuel for concern trolling.

Do you think the American military can replicate the capabilities of ramstein air base somewhere that is not Europe in the course of a year?

I dont see where that would be, I dont see it happening by 2027.

The Americans need Ramstein more than the Germans need Americans at Ramstein.

If trump gets his way this will be the greatest geopolitical disaster for the americans in generations and its completely self inflicted.

I will sit by with popcorn and watch the fallout.

 

[Kirkhill]

You’re joking, right?

No. I'm not.

 

[Altair]

No. I'm not.

Trump curious why Iran has not 'capitulated', Witkoff says

Steve Witkoff says the president is puzzled why Iran has not yet compromised in the face of a major US military build-up nearby.

www.bbc.com

In his Fox interview, Witkoff said: "I don't want to use the word 'frustrated'... because he [Trump] understands he's got plenty of alternatives, but he's curious as to why they haven't... I don't want to use the word 'capitulated', but why they haven't capitulated.

Why, under this sort of pressure, with the amount of sea power and naval power that we have over there, why haven't they come to us and said, 'We profess that we don't want a weapon, so here's what we're prepared to do?'"
The envoy added: "And yet it's hard to sort of get them to that place."

They flat out said their armada was there to pressure Iran or else. What surprise?

 

[brihard]

No. I'm not.

The buildup of US assets in the Middle East and known support bases for strategic bomber missions, and the escalating rhetoric against Iran were observed and widely remarked on for over a month, including this thread. Specific ‘any day now’ assets like combat search and rescue, airborne communications and battle field control nodes, and AWACS and F-22 were also widely reported on. There was nothing remotely sneaky about what was coming, it was only a matter of when exactly it would start. The minor tactical surprise in that respect was achieved by an after-sunrise morning kickoff, not because anyone didn’t think the attacks were imminent.

 

[Czech_pivo]

The buildup of US assets in the Middle East and known support bases for strategic bomber missions, and the escalating rhetoric against Iran were observed and widely remarked on for over a month, including this thread. Specific ‘any day now’ assets like combat search and rescue, airborne communications and battle field control nodes, and AWACS and F-22 were also widely reported on. There was nothing remotely sneaky about what was coming, it was only a matter of when exactly it would start. The minor tactical surprise in that respect was achieved by an after-sunrise morning kickoff, not because anyone didn’t think the attacks were imminent.

Will the pivot towards Cuba happen before or after the midterm elections in November?

 

[Altair]

Will the pivot towards Cuba happen before or after the midterm elections in November?

Depends on when Iran winds down. If Iran winds down.

 

[brihard]

Will the pivot towards Cuba happen before or after the midterm elections in November?

Dunno. The strategic ‘when’ is a political question and I don’t know the math in that. I just know if it happens we’re likely see it coming a couple weeks out.

 

[Czech_pivo]

Depends on when Iran winds down. If Iran winds down.

I would think that the US will need those ships assigned to Iran to rotate back home. I doubt that the majority of them will be able to take on another assignment directly after this.

 

[HavokFour]

I would think that the US will need those ships assigned to Iran to rotate back home. I doubt that the majority of them will be able to take on another assignment directly after this.

Maybe, maybe not. Look how long the Ford was deployed.