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EV's, Gas/Oil, and The Future- another swerve split from- JT Hints Boosting Canada’s Military Spending

ytz said:
I get the PHEV for commuters. But if you're av two car family why not just be go EV for the grocery getter and decent gas/diesel for the roadtrip vehicle?
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I hadn’t heard the PHEV battery issue either, but there are some decent PHEVs that I might consider if one of my paid-off long ago diesel SUVs (a compact and a mid-size [that pulls 3500kg]), but I’m not at full-on EV yet, even with my two vehicles (well, I also care for and feed my mom’s diesel SUV on her behalf… 🦕 🦕 🦖). Mitsubishi Outlander is a nice PHEV, there are others that might interest me under the right conditions. There is no EV out there yet that excites me to get back on board the vehicle CAPEX game.

Halifax Tar said:
Are you allowed to spend less time than that in a CT ?
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G2G: Laughs in HomeDepot-ese… 😆
 
suffolkowner said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/2087127398214980077

I think hybrid vehicles are often just a stepping stone for those with range anxiety
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I used to work with a guy who would commute between Montreal and Toronto in a Tesla model 3. During the winter, he cursed having to stop a couple times each way to make the trip. So there are always situations where BEV are not the most convincing option.
 
Good2Golf said:
I used to work with a guy who would commute between Montreal and Toronto in a Tesla model 3. During the winter, he cursed having to stop a couple times each way to make the trip. So there are always situations where BEV are not the most convincing option.
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Part of that is our shit choices available. Poor ranges compared to whats out there in other markets
Im waiting for something that can pull 4000kg for 40000km a yr. Basically a 3/4 ton EV
 
suffolkowner said:
Part of that is our shit choices available. Poor ranges compared to whats out there in other markets
Im waiting for something that can pull 4000kg for 40000km a yr. Basically a 3/4 ton EV
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My neighbour has a Rivian R1T that tows 4,900kg. It’s a beast, and not a bad vehicle at all…other than its purchase price.
 
Good2Golf said:
My neighbour has a Rivian R1T that tows 4,900kg. It’s a beast, and not a bad vehicle at all…other than its purchase price.
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yeah cost is an issue or at least upfront cost. Im old enough now that it doesnt really make sense for me to buy a new vehicle. Work write off lol
 
Not a PHEV, but my father-in-law owns a first generation Ford Escspe hybrid (2007?). I remember telling him he was going to regret buying that since he would probably have to replace the battery in 5 years. About 20 years later, and I was wrong. Still going strong.
 
Halifax Tar said:
45-70s, V8s and black coffee.
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Early 1970s. Mid-1970s is when they started tacking on a bunch of emissions stuff to existing engines. I had a 1978 F-150 with the 351 and it was a pig on gas, especially at northwestern Ontario distances.

dapaterson said:
Six minutes: wander around where the thing you need used to be before they rearranged everything.
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I'm convinced that is their business model. I've become a fan of their on-site lookup terminals, or jot down the aisle/bay number from their website.

dapaterson said:
Twenty-one minutes: search for a staff member to help.
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Not always helpful.

dapaterson said:
Three minutes: pick up what you need and pay for it.
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Longer if your store uses the single-line system and the check-outs are understaffed. At least CT has shunned the self-checkout.
 
ytz said:
One of the things that really intrigued me from travel to Europe recently was charging at grocery stores. Everybody needs to eat. And everybody spends 20-30 mins inside a grocery store. Given a sufficiently high powered charger, you could sufficiently fill up for a week of driving during your grocery trip.

Concurrent activity. Should be something a lot of this forum understands.
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That works for the early adapters, but once enough people are looking to do the same thing it goes right back to not being able to find convenient charging.

Compared to the usual wait at a gas station, having to sit around for 20-30 min waiting for a charger is pretty brutal. Even Costoco Gas in Langford yesterday was only a 20 min wait for me, and I think half of that was people being too dumb to know how to operate a gas pump, or having their cards ready...

Now imagine it being a 20min fill-up, and the guy in the charging bay is fiddling with his phone for 5 minutes to get the app to work, before current is flowing into the battery.

Until charging stations are as simple, and more plentiful than gas pumps, owning an EV you can't charge at home is going to be more of a hassle than a ICE/hybrid vehicle.

I also believe there is nearly zero cost savings using public charging vs. gas. The stations need to pay for themselves and their maintenance. Walmart and Tesla can afford to offer savings, but not all charging stations are like that.

I'm not anti-EV at all, but I think there are a lot more real world barriers to EV ownership than people who are extremely pro-EV admit. Part of the reason my wife didn't go EV for her new car was the cost of upgrading the electrical service to the house to add a charger... The extra tens of thousands of dollars for the initial cost of the vehicle, and the addition of a charger would pay for a lot of gas and oil changes.
 
Furniture said:
That works for the early adapters, but once enough people are looking to do the same thing it goes right back to not being able to find convenient charging.

Compared to the usual wait at a gas station, having to sit around for 20-30 min waiting for a charger is pretty brutal. Even Costoco Gas in Langford yesterday was only a 20 min wait for me, and I think half of that was people being too dumb to know how to operate a gas pump, or having their cards ready...

Now imagine it being a 20min fill-up, and the guy in the charging bay is fiddling with his phone for 5 minutes to get the app to work, before current is flowing into the battery.

Until charging stations are as simple, and more plentiful than gas pumps, owning an EV you can't charge at home is going to be more of a hassle than a ICE/hybrid vehicle.

I also believe there is nearly zero cost savings using public charging vs. gas. The stations need to pay for themselves and their maintenance. Walmart and Tesla can afford to offer savings, but not all charging stations are like that.

I'm not anti-EV at all, but I think there are a lot more real world barriers to EV ownership than people who are extremely pro-EV admit. Part of the reason my wife didn't go EV for her new car was the cost of upgrading the electrical service to the house to add a charger... The extra tens of thousands of dollars for the initial cost of the vehicle, and the addition of a charger would pay for a lot of gas and oil changes.
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BYDs are 25% - 80% in 9 minutes (or something like that). The rate of charging is dropping rapidly.
 
suffolkowner said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/2087127398214980077

I think hybrid vehicles are often just a stepping stone for those with range anxiety
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Apparently only 3 EV companies in China are profitably and the bottom fell out of the Chinese solar industry, because the government yanked incentives. Take away the incentives and make EV pay a equal road tax and I suspect you see a big drop in sales.
 
Colin Parkinson said:
Apparently only 3 EV companies in China are profitably and the bottom fell out of the Chinese solar industry, because the government yanked incentives. Take away the incentives and make EV pay a equal road tax and I suspect you see a big drop in sales.
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i honestly dont know what EV incentives they have
i wonder how much they can get away with pulling the carpet out from under without major downstream impacts
on PVs domestic installations fell from 212 to 72GW
 
PrairieFella said:
BYDs are 25% - 80% in 9 minutes (or something like that). The rate of charging is dropping rapidly.
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Fair enough, but those are best case numbers. They don't account for the reality that there are times public chargers don't seem to actually charge at their advertised rate.

Not a big deal deal if you don't have to rely on public chargers, but if you can't charge at home waiting for a free charger, then waiting for a charger that is charging much slower than the advertised rate is not ideal. Particularly when compared against a gas station, where even a large gas tank takes just a couple of minutes, and the wait for a pump is very short.
 
Furniture said:
Fair enough, but those are best case numbers. They don't account for the reality that there are times public chargers don't seem to actually charge at their advertised rate.

Not a big deal deal if you don't have to rely on public chargers, but if you can't charge at home waiting for a free charger, then waiting for a charger that is charging much slower than the advertised rate is not ideal. Particularly when compared against a gas station, where even a large gas tank takes just a couple of minutes, and the wait for a pump is very short.
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its an interesting transition. Being the last ones to do it we should be able to learn from others experience. In Norway more and more gas stations are adding chargers
 
Furniture said:
Fair enough, but those are best case numbers. They don't account for the reality that there are times public chargers don't seem to actually charge at their advertised rate.

Not a big deal deal if you don't have to rely on public chargers, but if you can't charge at home waiting for a free charger, then waiting for a charger that is charging much slower than the advertised rate is not ideal. Particularly when compared against a gas station, where even a large gas tank takes just a couple of minutes, and the wait for a pump is very short.
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Its a question of scale imo. When the Earth was still cooling and cars were new, Im sure people said the same thing about gasoline vis-à-vis silage for your horses. Once there is enough demand, supply will follow when some enterprising dude with capital builds an "electric station". If I had capital Id build one somewhere along the Trans-Canada. I really think electric is the way of the future, its just so much more efficient a fuel, compared to the weight and 20% efficiency of gasoline. One day. Not today, but one day.
 
I didn't know charging an EV took that long.
A little confused by those whom push HSR to save time would also be ok with 30 minute+ stops while on the road.
 
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