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    Indirect Fires Modernization Project - C3/M777 Replacement

    I don't think the long range rocket artillery mission sets have changed at all. I think Ukraine has just proved the concept. Particularly the HIMARS is just the launcher, the weapon is the ammunition. The ammunition is selected based on the desired effects. This sort of system is a Divisional...
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    Indirect Fires Modernization Project - C3/M777 Replacement

    Some google-fu. I assume the figures are in US dollars. Export cost: $19–20 million per one launcher+carrier (FY 2022); $434,000 per one M31ER GMLRS (FY 2022) So at current exchange rate that's about $28.8 million CAD per full system ($30millon for math). Each GMLRS costs $0.7 million CAD...
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    Indirect Fires Modernization Project - C3/M777 Replacement

    The gun one was an analysis on the effects needed. Multiple computer simulations on two different types of effects simulator and a good look on usage in Ukraine I'm sure. They probably looked at platform survivability, how mortars support the infantry etc... That leads to a number and...
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    Indirect Fires Modernization Project - C3/M777 Replacement

    No idea. But if there is going to be a multiservice missile, then it will probably for GBAD. NASMS uses a bunch of anti air missiles (AAMRAM, ESSM etc...) from various sources, and I wouldn't be surprised if that was the Canadian GBAD solution for the mid to long range band.
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    Indirect Fires Modernization Project - C3/M777 Replacement

    I just guessed my friend. I'm sure if we dig around somewhere we can find an RFI or paper that points to a number. It's all going to be based on the effects required.
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    Indirect Fires Modernization Project - C3/M777 Replacement

    Honestly with Canadian accounting it's going to be less than people might think. Ammo, spares, training and the core systems are all in that line item. Edit: went to wiki to see what other countries paid for HIMARS and its all over the map. Australia paid 1-2 billion for 20 and Lithuania 500...
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    Government hints at boosting Canada’s military spending

    My emoji response is taking the piss... not actually serious
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    Government hints at boosting Canada’s military spending

    This is quite the side track even for Army.ca.... lol
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    The RCAF's Next Generation Fighter (CF-188 Replacement)

    Airforce research and math. Probably sortie rates, coverage in airspace and other factors I don't know. The airforce put a lot of effort into this. The Conservative number of 65 was based almost entirely on just NORAD numbers. The Liberals number increased because their defence policy stated...
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    The RCAF's Next Generation Fighter (CF-188 Replacement)

    With the increase in defence budget coming down the road a mixed fleet of "strikers and defenders" is possible. Looking to Australia this is a model that would probably work for Canada. The commitment was always going to be mostly naval, with some air assets (refueling, AEC, MPA's and maybe a...
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    The RCAF's Next Generation Fighter (CF-188 Replacement)

    Not to surprised. Lots of countries have "export versions" of their systems. I think the French invented that particular trick.
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    Canadian River Class Destroyer Megathread

    Glad to see the big bucks spent on them is well worth it. My (very few) interactions I've had with BAE have always been professional to the point where I left feeling like they were uhhh... putting up with my dumb questions. Always appreciated their patience and let the know as such.
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    Canadian River Class Destroyer Megathread

    SUPER helpful. BAE is part of the design team if not the construction team. All their mistakes and successes are shared with the other two builders. As the power plants and prime movers, as well as engineering spaces are all going to be nearly identical just knowing that the plumbing doesn't...
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    Canadian River Class Destroyer Megathread

    The systems interactions they are mostly referring to will be internal to the ship and the combat system. So basically how does the gun control unit work with the radar through Aegis and stuff like that. There might be some antenna farm stuff happening as well but mostly it's a stack of...
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    New Canadian Shipbuilding Strategy

    Military Purchasing Power Parity at work. It definitely works against us.
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    Destroyers vs Frigates. Ship Classification Discussion

    Oh god, I can't even imagine going into the galley if I wasn't doing rounds. You'll end up in the soup for sure if you piss them off. Or the back of one of the freezers found only when the ship goes into the ditch.
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    Indirect Fires Modernization Project - C3/M777 Replacement

    I agree with this. I understand the concerns about standing outside shooting the gun. And the lower amount of armour. But lets not get addicted to armour here. Scoot and shoot don't survive because of armour, they survive because of mobility and hiding. In Ukraine there are two (three?)...
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    Indirect Fires Modernization Project - C3/M777 Replacement

    It's not a Canadian innovation. Its Swiss, and it was offered by GDELS. Canada could very well get the Marder version. And to be honest, Canada doesn't have a wheeled vehicle fetish, more of a porkbarrelling problem. FRANCE has a wheeled vehicle fetish that is actually a fetish. In...
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    Government hints at boosting Canada’s military spending

    Australia's national strategy is to defend the "sea air gap" between Australia and Indonesia. The radars are pointed there because those are the area's where there are strategic chokepoints and the main threat axis from any Asian power that wants to project south. Thus the radars are pointed...
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    Destroyers vs Frigates. Ship Classification Discussion

    I would agree with that. Its assumed that you are usually there for a duty reason first without pestering the OOW/2OOW. And 90% of the time that's the case. If you didn't have a duty reason to be there (just wanted to see the crazy storm or something) you just hid in the back by the EO/IR...
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