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If we were to get 60Rs, can we please just use the USN CONOPs, and tactics, and procedures, and training system...

No, the world has changed and the requirements are different. We gained some better capabilities, including the ability to host C2 spaces and enhanced medical spaces, plus a better ship to shore connector, and other things I probably am not aware of. The hangar is a little smaller, and given...

I would say, historically, yes. Carriers are commonly flag ships, so that makes a good pairing. A USN Carrier, as the CSG Flag, normally has at least 4 Capt in addition to the Flag: CO, CAG, DESRON, and COS. Although it seems it's common to have more than that now: in addition to the RAdm in...

This is an earlier rendering, so thngs may be different, but it doesn't like like it... But at least it doesn't have that weird slope towards the hangar that the old AORs had! I weant to reiterate that these look like excellent AORs, and Canada needs them, and probably more than 2. Having two...

Don't disagree... just seems to me putting those two things (amphibs and helos) in the same hull is too much for us in the foreseeable future.

If we adjust the Cyclone to more more supportable deployed (not only embarked) the the Protecteur class can provide some support depth, but not as much as the old Protecteurs. There is not enough deck or hangar space to provide concentration of air power, but there are examples of ships that can...

San Antonio is the right size deck, but the ship itself (in it's current form) is too amphib heavy and joint support light, in my opinion.

If what we are describing is just a class to give aviation support, the best example would be RFA Argus, probably as configured from 1985 to 2009. What would probably be a logical leap for us, if we were to first get three or four Protecteurs instead of 2, and wanted a more robust aviation...

As a starting point, given where not getting a carrier: two or more spots, so if you have one go down during a cycle or need to do spread maintenance you still have a spot available a couple of stuff spots on deck, which is where you can put helos during the cycle that aren’t currently being...

I’ve heard some of his close subordinates feel the same way. I don’t really feel any connection with the RCAF as it came back just as I got out, but given my choice in hindsight I think I would have preferred to be RCN then RCAF. Even though the current RCN aren’t air power experts, they and...

I just realized, the discussion that has been going on (in the wrong thread again... maybe we need a future of Naval Air in Canada thread?) illustrates the point. As long as we think in terms of "it's the RCAF's fault, no it's the RCN's fault, no it's ADM(Mat)'s fault" we will not have a Naval...

I could swear I said farther up “This is not all on the RCN…” Let me look, yep, there it is… I’m not bitching. What I’m saying is that while Protecteur is probably the right AOR for Canada at this point, is not a JSS, nor does it have everything its predecessor had. I’ll say it again… if we...

Exactly. If all we intend to do is make the tanker maintenance heavy and flight ops light, then stock them up with spares (maybe it will be a forcing event to actually buy more spares?) and more techs (hopefully experienced ones) and fly the aircraft over to do maintenance heavy stuff (the det...

The Cyclone CONOPs was written the way a CONOPs should be, before the requirement (for better or worse… I know because I helped review it)… lol Adding insult to injury, the CONOPs should be updated (you know, the aircraft has unrealized capabilities, and the world changes, which informed new...

Yeah, they all say something like “be able to provide second-line maintenance for naval task groups” (Protecteur class - Canada.ca). Not sure what that even means, given that most of the Cyclone is 1st to 3rd. When I asked an MH guy that was at the naming as a guest what it meant he didn’t...

... and by the way, if someone wants to say that because the Protecteurs have two hangar spots they have proper support for aviation, I'd beg to differ. We don't even have proper 2nd line at the Wing (a lot of it is 1st to 3rd), and it's killing us for spares. As far as I know, there are no...

Being immersed in historic RCN Naval Air I'm biased, but... I don't think you can operate a carrier without having a Fleet Air Arm or Naval Air Branch or whatever you call it. It depends a focus and unity of effort we wouldn't be able to muster. I agree that we need to focus on the escorts and...

ASROC may be better for much of that mission. I think crewed uncrewed pairing is the way to go. dipping sonars can be unmanned, but small platforms. Buoy delivery and comms relay should be expendable, as should EO/IR investigation (ie small UAVs deployed from A size chutes are catapulted from...

And probably in '45 by the skeleton 6th Canadian Division as part of the Commonwealth Corps in Operation Coronet, although as follow on forces maybe not as important?

To be fair, the Navy has been aware of being classed as a non- blue water navy ever since they lost the Bonnie. (For an example, see the tabel at Wikipedia Blue Water Navy Classification and naval hierarchy). Having a lack of power projection (aviation, amphibious, or strike) makes you green...