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so if read the article correctly and the conclusion as well Michael(writer)thinks they're not a necessary thing for Canada(subs)just buy extra patrol ships and all will be well  ::) (yeah right) walter

This was to be expected,but for the OPV i think "we"still have a fighting chance.Since there are a lot of them liking the Damen designs a lot(sea axe for example) gr,walter

BTW i have a question for you'll: If(and i say if,but looks like it) the "Iver" is chosen as a "template" for the new frigates what will it cost(if needed for Canada)to built them to full mill spec?(since they're partially mill spec now) I mean it will be alot more,no? just asking,don't know...

I wouldn't know if they would give Canada same sort of deal,but then again,think with me  ;) Let's say an "extra"-cost for Canada would be in the 200 million area,a piece(just thinking out loud here),the whole project would still be half of the budget,give or take.i mean the 28 billion figure...

Mark i get your disappointment in this matter.(really i do) ;) and think most of you(Canadians)think the same. But maybe when the 2 of us(i mean our countries)design them together it's possible to built the Canadian "portion"of the new series in Canada itself(or at least most of them) I mean...

So i read something on the dutch defence forum,article from a German Naval Magazine about Canadian Procurement.  :facepalm: The "Canadian Surface Combatant" -Project device in rough seas. According to Navy planning to 15 new warships old now largely replace already decommissioned destroyer...

So the things are heating up(Walrus replacement)this is from the dutch defence forum in wich we discussed the subject;From the Volkskrant part on is my reaction on the matter. Opposition fears' second JSF to purchase submarines [/ b] The intention of Defence to allocate at least 2.5 billion...

While the Horizons are great ships  :nod: ,France cancelled the last planned 4(series of 8)so now there are "just" 4 of them in service. Why? Horizons are very expensive ships much more so then Fremm,so when/if DCNS is chosen it would likely be the Fremm for Canada(also great ships) Suggestions...

Bearpaw,I'm not Canadian(Dutch in fact)but( in my view)to think that Canada would buy something like the Arlieghs is crazy, -Far too expensive(both in buying and upkeep) -you'll have to redesign them(or make adjustments)for them to take APAR/SMART-L,if you'll go that way -I'm sure there are...

Ok Boys and Girls(sorry couldn't help myself  >:D )and i'll keep the updates(Dutch Navy) in this thread,if it's allright for everybody here. In the next 2.5 months there will be talks in parliament about the replacement of the Walrus class(about 2025),budgetwise, now there is  2.5 Billion for...

"Hello from the otherside",lol ;D And from what i learned(as said here on this topic)nucs are fast and maneuverable and can dive deeper than most conventionals(there are exceptions ,maneuverability,dive depth)but for the most it's true. Also the USA needs to cover great distances(as do the...

To be fair Tomahawk6,in the exercises the canadians scored hits,the swedes,the australians,and we did(dutch), and don't know if i mentioned them all who did, all with diesel subs,but that's what exercises are for to learn from each other. So i mean no disrespect to the swedish subs,but really...

th Oldgate,for your explanation,even i got it.  :bowing: Well to be fair not all the terms and abbreviations but hey i'm learning here(not an marine expert,just an enthusiast) [:p Hope you 2 are still friends,lol :P gr,walter

Haha,G2G"kind of cute",lol ;D from what i could find,first deliverly will be in 2019(so takes a while to see these "cute" copters) >:D here's how they will be outfitted: Dutch CH-47F-NLs CAAS MH-47 CAAS? No. (click to view full) One major difference in the multi-role CH-47F(NL) compared to...

Sorry a bit late,but it will be 20 in total for the Dutch Air Force.(14 new ones ,6 upgraded ones. Come on Canada ,buy at least as much as us. ;)(just kidding) gr,walter

From what i read on the internet,the T-45's have big problems (electrical),when all the power(electrical)is needed the lights go out(wartsillas trip themselves out) Looks strange to me(has to do,in my mind,with all the government cutting on the project) So it seems that the T-45 need a lot more...

All icould find is some common knowledge: Rated power: 25.2 MW Specific fuel consumption: ~190 g/kWh Main module wet weight: 45974 kg Twin-spool design + free rotating power Turbine Six-stage LP compressor Intercooler Six-stage HP compressor Exhaust heat recuperator Nine radial combustors...

Chris one thing thought about the RR Speys: Combined diesel and gas 2 × Wärtsilä 16 V26 diesel engines, 4.2 MW (5,600 hp) each 2 × Rolls Royce Spey SM 1C gas turbines, 18.5 MW (24,800 hp) each(each one) 4 × Wärtsilä-Deutz D620 V12 diesel-generators, 1,680 kW (2,250 hp) each 2 × propeller...

Ah OK,as you said i misunderstood you/link.Thought it was 800 million a piece,and the additional financial arrangements.(strong selling tactics from the Brits)

Here's a(unbiased )view on the frigates of the world.(seems like we're doing OK,for such a small navy)  [:D http://defencyclopedia.com/2016/01/02/top-10-most-powerful-frigates-in-the-world/