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No hate on at all, I am stationed there, it is a really nice spot, I like it.  I wish it would get bigger.  The question is, should we have spent millions of dollars to keep this place open, or moved it to Winnipeg and save some $$, and the expense of a Wing for the entire CF.....

GW,  I am fully in tune to how the CF works, thanks... All I am hearing these days from every corner in the CF is "we have no $$, we need more $$".  If the CF is not going to get more $$ then we have to find other ways to get it, better ways to do business.  Is consolidation of bases the...

True enough to the arguments, however I am just looking at it from a what's best for the CF as a whole point of view.  The more bases open, the ore support facilities you need, the more you stretchout your resources. If North Bay was to close and move to Winnipeg as it should have thatt means 1...

I agree, it will not close.  It is just another example of wasted defence dollars, just like here in North Bay.  I was in Halifax on course back in Feb/Mar.  I stood there in Stad and watched the bar across the road burn down. Shearwater definatly needs upgrading and I hope they get it.  I...

I am stationed in North Bay, this place is a monument to wasted defence $$.  I am just thinking of the CF as a whole.  We need some $$, then we need to close down some facilities no longer required.  Shearwater or Greenwood, lets pick one or the other.  The Aurora fleet is going away soon...

I am an AEC, weapons, did several courses there.  It's OK, foods not too bad.  Rooms are nice, TV is small though.  I was there for long courses, so I brought my computer, my own stereo, bike and so on.  There are no fridges in the rooms, could be a problem.  There is a pool and rec centre...

Could we perhaps have done this in Greenwood instead.  There is plenty of space there, and some empty hangers.  Close a Wing and save the CF some $$, and pers.  While your at it close North Bay and Bagotville.....

Forgot about YTR, sorry.  With ref to Gagetown, it is a training unit, if we establish co-training with the US Army we would no longer need it, that is why I said 403 Sqn to support 2 CMBG. Here's another idea, how about consolidating 1Wg on a single base, perhaps Borden or North Bay (NB is...

At least the micro managers would be in the same room with us ;D ;D  By the way, we have been much better at talking to the CP140 gang with our new radio suite... :cdn: :cdn: :cheers:

I am here in North Bay working on the new system now, it is awesome.  It works really well, miles ahead of what we had.  There were problems, the problems were political.  With the schedualled closing of the underground complex, 22 Wg North Bay should have been closed.  There is no need at all...

Why are we wasting military pers and equip to conduct base rescue, should this not be the sort of thing we ASD.  They do not deply outside or within Canada, why not ASD this out. As for Tachel, this should be an easy solution.  We have assault helos, the Grifs, we are getting heavy lift helos...

Sorry, I thought as Airforce types we were supposed to be in the warfighting business....

I should know better, forgiviness please.....

Look at what the media did the Arthur Currie after WW1.  Look how they trashed Canadian Generals in WW2 for "not getting into the action", then for "getting into to much action too soon". There's nothing new here, the media is full of sh$%#t, always has been, that's their business, spin and...

The truth should not stand in the way of a good story.  The media has an agenda, they determine the spin they want, then go find it....

That's not all, the Globe & Mail wrote a story today about the $60 million cost overruns of the new NORAD facility in Sudbury.....

The CF cannot purchase new SAR aircraft because the $$ is being diverted to the Afghan war.  Total BS.  That's like saying the fire dept cannot buy ladders to get kittens out of tree because they are fighting too many fires.  Combat, war, is the job of the militray.  Give the military more money...

And Canada....  The Islamic Republic Of Canada, the prof's should love it.  Perhaps we could convince the talibs to lop of thier heads first..... :threat: :threat:

Perhaps the plants in Winnipeg or Renfrew Mfc parts for these A/C, I am just wondering....  Renfrew used to do maint on the Labs, a Boeing Vertol product. It would not likely be too much of a stretch to give C17/C47 work to Boeing operations here in Canada.  I personnally don't care who maints...

For the C17, is Boeing in Winnipeg or in Renfrew going to be doing any of the work.  Is Boeing Renfrew going to work on the Chinooks???  Just wondering.....