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    The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0

    That is a gross misunderstanding of the concept of the slippery slope. The proposed end result is one aspect, but the other- arguably more important one- is the unsupported linkages between Step 1, Step 2, Step 3 ... Step N to get to the (possibly) exaggerated end result Third option- accept...
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    The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0

    They have an accepted regime, said regime has internally consistent logic, and has been in effect for almost 30 years with a general weakening (not tightening) since 97. If an event like Bondi only leads to closing loopholes and maintaining the same internally consistent logic - that's a line...
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    CAN-USA Tariff Strife (split from various pol threads)

    Given their desire to increase origin labelling requirements on beef, I wonder about that to bridge the gap on dairy. We'll let more in- but labelling needs to clearly communicate where its from and what regulatory standard it was produced under- and advertising based on standards is fair play...
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    The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0

    I know you don't like my approach to this- but in my opinion the firearm (particularly that Stoeger) used set up the Australian gun lobby with a pretty easy play to mitigate the reactionary gun control responses. Looking at their shotgun classification the logic is pretty clear (regardless of...
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    The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0

    It made me curious as to their classification regime and how that change would reflect from the status quo https://www.police.nsw.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0007/133198/Licence_Categories_and_Firearm_Types_FACT_Sheet.pdf What Guns Are Legal In Australia? Complete Guide To Firearms...
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    The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0

    Those related to police actioning intelligence wrt license denial/ removals, taking away the ability of a bleeding heart tribunal to overrule on police decisions.
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    CAN-USA Tariff Strife (split from various pol threads)

    The thing that caught my eye as potentially problematic is buried midway thought the "both countries" list: "Developing mechanisms to penalize offshoring of U.S. production to Mexico or Canada as the result of regulatory and other arbitrages;" Based on the language that can easily be...
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    The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0

    To clarify- that's a pretty inaccurate and inflammatory headline. What has actually happened Minns proposed reforms (some sensible, some reactionary) that don't mention anything about removing hunting. in fact, as recently as this August the Minns government was supportive of a Private...
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    The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0

    Take that up with Jarn. If the determinant is area/ personal discrimination of target, what of machine guns being used in traversing/ searching fire? Why is area a valid determinant? Full disclosure- the question was a trap. By engaging meaningfully with it you express a personal...
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    The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0

    Grandfathered in some way. With respect - having lost 1 classmate and two teammates (all of whom I considered friends at points) to non-violent firearm suicide prior to the age of 25, I cannot continue to respond to this thread of discussion and maintain the decorum expected on this website...
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    The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0

    Not letting people buy certain things anymore isn't the same thing as taking them away. Unless your definition of personal property includes things you haven't acquired yet. acquire vs. possess
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    The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0

    Taking legally acquired property via OIC is fundamentally a different issue and discussion than proper democratic/ legislative channels rendering said property no longer legal to acquire moving forward
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    The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0

    A. Removing long guns doesn't prevent all suicides that were previously by firearm. Ridiculous assumption. It might prevent a small number that aren't willing to use another method. It might cause a small number of attempts to fail. But 100%? Silly. B. A suicide, while tragic, is not a...
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    The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0

    If this is on your suicide red herring, no.
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    The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0

    With respect- immediate criminalization, seizure and confiscation (especially by executive regulation rather than legislative means) is an entirely different ball of wax from a forward looking restriction of access Which reveals the "who not what" as an absolute quagmire to implement
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    The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0

    None of those rights are being violated, just like they aren't when they/we banned tipped lawn darts and three wheelers.
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    The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0

    To the public it does. You don't get to define what does and does not matter to the public. You do get to abdicate your voice by trying. Who gets to decide who has access and why? Which affiliations and comments trigger the flags that have rights/priviledges restricted? Explicitly addressed...
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    The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0

    A. How many with a 30rd box fed semi? How many hours of practice to get to that fraction? B. Plywood -> Tide.
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    The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0

    Caveat- this is what I see as a best case forward, not what I would like in a vacuum. Accept that there will be increased regulation compared to pre 2020. Use the legislative definition in C-21 as a jump off point to define what that is going to look like Engage meaningfully with said...
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    The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0

    Fair. I went back and changed to "critical mass" in one place. It's not a true consensus. By the way, If you agree that there's an acceptable threshold but disagree with where to place it you're tacitly agreeing that the spectrum of difference exists. You mean like when the reaction to...
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