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I'm convinced, that's a lot of work $$$ to redesign. But $1B worth of design work for an existing 20 year old design? Could we not pay Vard or whomever designed this for something alittle 'fancier' if our design budget was $1B? 3rd ship that could have another role or something? The price...

Reminds me of when the AOPS ballooned in cost, only to end up being a partial loan/grant money. Sounds like Seaspan now got its free cash. Why not just buy a stake in the company at this point? $4.1B is a heck of a lot for 2 AORs, I can understand 2 destroyers or something costing that much...

Thanks for the insight Underway and others. Stepping back, i'm sure these concerns were very much on the mind of engineers, sailors, politicians and many more in the advent of nuclear-powered submarines as well. Now its almost the norm.

^Was discussed earlier in this thread about the limitations. What I took away from it was that new AIP cells are a technology no-longer in the developmental stage and is now operational in a number of submarine classes. It's not as safe to transit under ice (as an SSN) as you need to be able to...

And Heddle gets the cash flow and co-sign of one of the biggest yards. This way a 4th yard would technically be apart of the 3 yard Strategy giving the gov't the break of having to expand the NSP again. Would be great PR to assemble/build some RCN/CCG ships off the great lakes. There is...

We choose not to, historically we've tried to get SSN's and it's never worked. The RAN and its gov't are concerned with their neighborhood. They have been having many issues building the Attack Class, and that deal has almost falled apart multiple times, and could still fall apart. Our...

We are a 3 Ocean navy with enough ships for 1, maybe 2 Oceans. Why do we need to base any submarines in the Atlantic in the first place? I get ASW, which we're historically good at, keep on at it - but - isn't that thinking too NATO-centric? Do we not care about our two 'besties' ANZACs? Are...

The problem with the entire Victoria Class replacement is that we have put ourselves in this corner, and have chosen to go into the fetal-position instead of pushing out. The 2004 Chicoutimi incident is too far into the public psyche, we have forever ruled-out buying used subs. No matter if...

Off the rails here but I have a great idea. We tell everyone we are retiring the subs in 2024, but secretly send them out to the US or UK and have them gutted and remade into a giant ORCA XLUUV or RN MORAY testbed. Use them til they sink, nobody will get hurt, fewer will even know (if you...

If the primary job of the CF as an institution is to "Defend Canada", and they cannot assist communities of Canadians from floods. Then it is an organisation that is rolling itself into its own grave. Canadians don't care about having a well-equipped military force, its well understood on this...

In Ontario Labour Law, the concept is called a "Bonafide Occupational Requirement". It is completely reasonable to be exposed to XYZ risk as a part of your duties as a worker in a XYZ role. I think considering such a monumental (financial, doctrinal, cultural (within CCG) and legal) it...

British Navy conducts test-fire of new Martlet missile from Wildcat HMA Mk2 helicopter https://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php/news/defence-news/2020/may-2020/8473-british-navy-conducts-test-fire-of-new-m.html This possible to do with a Cyclone?

Build a "CFB Iqaluit" near the new deepwater port and existing airport. Enable it to dock an AOPS or 2 temporarily for their arctic patrols, along with 1 or 2 foreign/NATO vessels. Build up more of a presence at Iqaluit Airport to temporarily house (on rotation) RCAF CP140, P8, and Transport...

WHY NATO NEEDS A STANDING MARITIME GROUP IN THE ARCTIC Center for International Maritime Security http://cimsec.org/why-nato-needs-a-standing-maritime-group-in-the-arctic/43617 Thoughts? AOPS coordinating with a small group of 2-3 icebreakers in NATO around the Arctic Circle? Group in some...

Just realized this threat is 13 years old... Not the Heron, but proof of concept. Elbit adds life-saving capability to Hermes 900 https://www.flightglobal.com/aerospace/elbit-adds-life-saving-capability-to-hermes-900/138263.article

Why not subtract a few hull numbers and build a lot of Light Frigates or Corvettes based on the NSC (USCG) or a Sa'ar 6?

Fascinating. Any official sources or more info? Looks like the proposal was only stopped once we looked at the long-term costs and would've otherwise moved forward to a new stage? The Dutch did upgrade their Apache fleet a few years ago too? Why didn't they sell them elsewhere or to Qatar, who...

a. first and probably foremost in the eyes of the current and future government is going to be money. The Liberals are more likely not to be too concerned about any immediate debt accumulation over the next few years notwithstanding that they have committed over $80 billion in programs and tax...

Interesting thread, makes for a good read. Slightly off-topic, but i'm not a fan of the discrepancy between our commitment to NATO vs. our commitment to our pacific friends. Where is the cooperation in Australia, ROK, or Japan on the Army side? Would we be over-extended if we had a similar...

Just heard of this project, 2500 vehicles is a lot. Makes for an interesting read. What's the timeline for this project? Hopefully we don't pay what the Australians did... Coalition suppressed auditor's finding that $1.3bn Thales arms deal could have cost half with US...