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Ok, change of tact here. One. There is no utopia. Socialist or otherwise. Norway has its own problems and may have to back off of some of its grander ideals one day. But the fact remains that they are NOT in any danger of collapse, nor are the people of Norway (or any other "nanny state")...

The Liberal's are toast. Although we have to accept with a grain of salt whether or not the alternatives will be any better. Sheesh...

Fact: You cannot judge the "health" of a nation based off economics alone. Fact: The per capita level of poverty in the States is far above that in most other 1st world nations. Fact: The number of people who are considered "worse of" (whatever that means) may be true. But the level of...

The unfortunate part is you exchange one set of thieves for another. You just change the colour of the flag they stand under.

Tom! I'm shocked you actually agreed with this...        ...in principle even!? Wow. :salute: One thing you guys seem to either have forgotten, or failed to hear, is the fact that bringing your family over after you being here and/or becoming a citizen yourself has been going on for quite some...

Lol. And once again they base all their numbers on GDP. Which of course doesn't look at the fact that the EU (and Norway) as a "people" are healthier and better off per capita, and also does not take into account national debt nor trade deficits. There are always ways to twist the numbers to...

Good point GW. Not to mention mines and their intended uses, or lack there of in our case.

Ah Rick. Always a good Infantry soldier. :salute: I guess as a past tanker, I sweat the big stuff to much. Well, bigger then a 76. ;) And while I am looking at any change in the military as something good, and any new equipment like a kid in a candy store, the changes that are proposed and...

Sounds good. I guess I'm not questioning TOW so much as how it is going to be used. So I'll ask you then... ...How much confidence do you have in not only the new vehicles (MMEV, DFS, etc...)? But the new Strat formation? Yes you'll have to work with what you get, and you'll do a bang up job...

Thats a good point. Considering we seem to be backing away from the whole idea of "war" (aka. Cold war) and heading towards this concept of "limited engagements/peacemaking/aid agency protection" that frequently is in close terrain (and thus our choice of vehicles), it makes me wonder why we...

By the looks of it, I'd say 55$ is even a little low. Its scary how fast it is going up these days. I think a hybrid is the next pick as far as cars go.

I think one of the reasons we have not gone this direction (which makes sense to me), is the fact that we cannot even sustain over-seas operations with what we have, let alone making a separate "heavy" force. If all our units were even close to being up to strength, I think it could work. But at...

Well with you Tom I'll make an exemption. You Libertarian neo-fascist pig dog.   ;) I am going to be back with some more ideas for you and to reply to mdh's great explaination. So beware... :dontpanic: Which is why I like this thread. Its forcing me to think way to much. Which hurts. Heh heh!

Seen. Just breaking it down to the simplest equation. (My mind can only deal with so much. ;D)

Well put, and the last point is where all the headaches come in. Also your first generalization is just that. You are assuming that conservatives are that mix. I would agree for the most part, but would back away from going so far as to generalize.

I'm not sure if the majority of people here are conservatives because of their ideas of "individualism" over "Society as a whole", or Anarchists (individual choice before all)? Especially when Conservatism means rules for all that are "proven by tradition" to work for the greater whole. Sheesh...

Actually they are. At first anyway. I was there and there was "some" great drill skills. Those of the not RCMP flavour though we're horrible.

Actually if you really look at it. Whether you go extreme right or left, you still end up in the same ballpark. http://www.angelfire.com/tx5/ara/pde/facism.html http://www.berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2003/07/22_politics.shtml...

Good post Tom. I guess one of the biggest contentions is not wether the "stryker" chassis will work or not, but the fact that in all cases except ours, it is being used in conjunction with other units which can support it. Even the Aussies have other capabilities in support (heavy armour, heavy...

So your saying that the government should not try to do what is "best" for your health? Maybe we should have allowed them to continue to use Cocaine in Coke? Seat belts? Only by choice. Traffic lights? Way to much control! Totalitarianism is the control of what you "think", and how you...