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That's a bit of overkill for a Bear or Blackjack, no?

Depends on what it's loaded with and how. That's a pretty big ship, if it only has one keel a Mk 48 would snap it in half. OTOH, both halves may float for a long time, no lifeboats needed.

That's built to commercial standards, and I'm not aware of a "really big container ship" requirement. No, that's your "buying a really big container ship in volume numbers" bottom line. Adding helo gear and military transport would mean a completely different hull and price. Even buying just...

The IRB's would be spread pretty thin in that situation, and we'd have the same block obsolesence problem we have today.

I think it would be a lot more effective if they built the hulls to wear out at the same time as the combat fit, and just built more ships.

The work appears to amount to a detailed wish list. The chances of actually getting the desired fleet in an operationally useful timeframe are slim. We're already seeing this with the JSS and AOPS, and they're not terribly complicated platforms. RCN project planning must involve a lot of "And...

I agree. I also think that Regular force-manned as opposed to Reserve-force manning is the tip of the iceberg. We've already seen with Huron that once a ship goes, it won't be replaced. Would it not make sense to decide now what the future fleet should be and divert as many resources as we can...

Try being the fat guy. Is there any flexibility in reducing some units readiness to boost other units? ie tying the MCDV's and submarines to the wall while diverting funding to fully fund frigates operations

Not to derail the thread too much, but you want to be careful with that. The very expensive and slow "Canadianisation" of the Victorias was directly related to incompatibilities with the legacy weapons we had and what the boats could handle as built. Then once the old FC and handling gear was...

Why is it counted under the program as "Ammunition" and not "Operations"? And where is the line item for "Ordnance"? I really doubt that it won't be used, although there is a question of just which part of the project will over-run. It has to be counted at some point, and at least some of it...

Interesting. Good to know, thanks. We make AMRAAM, AIM-9X and Mk-8x bombs? Since when? It is a catgeory, and would have to be paid as the contingency funding is spent, if it's spent on foreign goods or services. That's one reason 40% of the total IRB's are spread of the life of the project...

I agree that some of the money paid under the line items marked by 'X's would be paid to Canadians. Most wouldn't be however. The only line item I can see there that would be mostly paid to Canadians would be "infrastructure". The rest would mostly or all be to LM or other offshore companies...

That's $8.99 billion for acquisition with initial spares. As per the MOU, there are no offsets for that. Almost all of that would go to LM. http://www.forces.gc.ca/site/reports-rapports/ngfc-cng/index-eng.asp#4 Looks like $346 million for simulators, and they'd have to be bought from whomever...

The IRB page says different. http://www.ic.gc.ca/eic/site/042.nsf/eng/h_00018.html Looks like 60% within the first year, and 40% over the rest of the contract. The Industry Canada page says different. http://www.ic.gc.ca/eic/site/ad-ad.nsf/eng/ad03962.html#a3C4 We're looking at maybe ~$9...

Well, there is but it could be more accurately described as a "pork-buying kickback". The deal apparently appears to be: Buy the F-35 for whatever the price eventually turns out to be without IRB/kickbacks Buy "something else" for pretty much the same price with IRB/kickbacks I think we all...

Agreed. I disagree. There appears to be multiple formulae at the IRB website describing when and where the money is supposed to be spent, but it's definitely not in the first year. The JSF MOU required IRB's to be dropped, so there's no 100% requirement there. Industry Canada identified ~$9...

That's amazing! Since you're able to say what bids that haven't even been written yet will contain, is there any chance you could predict next month's S&P futures?

And a monkey!

But they will all offer a lot more in IRB's.

Must have been one major refit.  :o