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    Canadian River Class Destroyer Megathread

    Is the program costs quoted in Canadian or US dollars ?.....30 Million CAD is "only" 20M USD . So 15 CSC would mean ~1,3 billion USD each, expensive to be sure but not totally ludicrous if you are talking about something like a modern "mini-Burke" DDG.  As to the AOPS, i thought the DeWolf...
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    Canadian River Class Destroyer Megathread

    With my limited insight into Canadian industry and shipbuilding practices i can only guess as to disparity in cost. Most obvious would be the difference between a civilian yard accustomed to the build-to cost model and utilizing cheap eastern european/baltic labour in subsidiarys or...
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    Canadian River Class Destroyer Megathread

    Well thats what your passive ESM systems are for, "listening"for any  emissions from say a missiles targeting radar. On a lot of modern warships you also have Infrared surveillance systems scanning for thermal signatures , like the hot exhaust plume of a missile . In some cases though, say in...
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    Canadian River Class Destroyer Megathread

    I have just made some minor corrections , written in bold
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    Canadian River Class Destroyer Megathread

    Are you thinking of the AOPS or more in general terms ? Sounds spot on to me. In the real world of course it is a litlle less black and white and we dont always adhere completely to the StanFlex philosophy, but that is another matter.
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    Canadian River Class Destroyer Megathread

    I think it is somewhat overstating the lethality of anti-ship missiles. There are really 2 kinds of ASCM's , the conventional subsonic ones like Harpoon, Exocet, RBS-15, C-802 , NSM etc , and the truck size supersonic seaskimming type like the sunburn/moskit and Brahmos. The first category...
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    Canadian River Class Destroyer Megathread

    Yes, its 28 knots, or put another way , the requirement was for a sustained speed of 27,6 knots  at 90% MCR in sea state 3 (IIRC). Just like with the Absalons that are a knot or 2 faster than their design speed(+25 vs23-24kts) , the Huitfeldts have turned out to exceed requirements, achieving...
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    Canadian River Class Destroyer Megathread

    The rationale behind the Standard Flex concept and its continued usage is well documented AND available online, so i will refrain from posting a wall of text reciting its history. What i can say is that your conclusion is wrong ( StanFlex was and still is ,very much a cost saving...
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    Canadian River Class Destroyer Megathread

    Its Absalon...and while both the Absalon and Huitfeldt classes are substantially more expensive than officially qouted , they are nowhere near the pricetag of a Sachsen or LCF class.  The Absalon cost just shy of ~300M million US dollars in 2007, including sensors,MU90 torpedoes, the 5" mk45...
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    New Canadian Shipbuilding Strategy

    Minor corrections,.....Absalon is now classified as being 6645 tonnes FL, while the Huitfeldts is 6649 tonnes FL (5850 t is light ship displacement.) But even without their full complement of weapons and missiles they are already more than 6000 tonnes standard, so an increase in their nominal FL...
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    New Canadian Shipbuilding Strategy

    The T26 has seen some quite substantial changes to its structural design since the 6000 tonnes figure was put on BAE's website, and displacement as high as 8000 tonnes full load has been hinted at by some RN insiders. Im actually fairly certain they have , at least to some extent. The idea is...
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    New Canadian Shipbuilding Strategy

    The De Zeven Provinciën and Sachsen classes might be proven warships, but perhaps also a little bit too proven, considering their designs will be nearly 20 years old by 2017, and almost 30 years old when a derivative could be in RCN service. The F100 and Nansen classes are only a couple of years...
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    Dane's Joining NATO Missile Shield - Aegis for the Huitfeldt's?

    An update on the SMART-L EWC upgrade : https://www.thalesgroup.com/en/worldwide/defence/smart-l-ewc https://www.thalesgroup.com/sites/default/files/asset/document/tha0053_datasheet_smart-l_ewc_hr.pdf
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    Dane's Joining NATO Missile Shield - Aegis for the Huitfeldt's?

    I'm surprised, and frankly a little annoyed, that they are still peddling the $310-330M number for these ships, knowing full well that is not their real cost,.... not for Denmark, and certainly not for anybody else either. Its simply not a realistic price for vessels of this size and...
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    New Canadian Shipbuilding Strategy

    Maybe they are going for a bigger more capable design , than the "eurofrigates" that have been proposed so far ? Perhaps something more along the line of a Type 45 or an evolved Arleigh Burke design ? That , at least , would go a ways to explain the sticker price   Does that figure include the...
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    Decommissioning announcement 19 Sep 2014 - 2x Destroyers and 2 x AOR

    In the long term absolutely ( as should all maritime nations )...but for now i think you are fairly well covered by the USN and the rest of NATO,  so i agree that you should prioritize ASW capability and AOPS/OPV. Most certainly, perhaps with something like an enlarged CEAFAR installation. But...
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    New Canadian Shipbuilding Strategy

    Yes , one should think so, but despite that,  Naval Team Denmark ( http://www.navalteam.dk/) has found it difficult ( read: damn near impossible ) to successfully market their ship designs. The truth is....they simply cant compete with the much larger Dutch, German, French, Italian and Spanish...
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    New Canadian Shipbuilding Strategy

    I know and i agree....the ~$600 million figure was my estimate of the IH's being built in Denmark(and Estonia/Lithuania) for a foreign navy There is of course a lot of unknowns involved, even when choosing an existing design. A lot depends on the level of "Canadiazation " being applied to the...
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    New Canadian Shipbuilding Strategy

    You cant really use the danish price as a guideline for what a modern frigate should cost,  because it is little more than a smoke and mirrors number. The official project cost  is just the price that was thought to be acceptable to the public/ taxpayers. The ~330 million dollar per ship often...
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    Dane's Joining NATO Missile Shield - Aegis for the Huitfeldt's?

    After a little digging , it seems there is in fact two different upgrade paths for SMART-L ....The software only ELR mod,.... and a new upgrade called EWC    (Early Warning Capability) , which involves both software modifications as well as replacing  of antenna modules, in effect transforming...
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