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So if we send troops to a situation with inadequate equipment and because nobody died, that makes it okay? Its quite obvious you're just reaching for whatever thin logic you can find to justify this decision. The sad truth is that this government is doing the exact same thing.

Operation Reassurance. http://www.dote.osd.mil/pub/reports/FY2015/pdf/navy/2015fa18ef.pdf Key line: The F/A-18E/F Super Hornet weapon system continues to demonstrate operational effectiveness for most threat environments; however, the platform is not operationally effective in specific...

Something tells me this isn't over. I'm not as familiar with this area as fighter capabilities, but from what I know the C-295 isn't the better aircraft... the C-27 won hands down the first iteration and nothing has really changed since then. The C-27J is significantly faster (key for reaching...

No, sorry, you're right, I overstated the position. In my discussion with some USN folk a few years ago that Growlers are operated exclusively for the EW mission... and while they do have A2A weapons for self protection, they are considered limited in that respect. Also, Canada can obtain...

Super Hornets won't be available by 2022. The USN has been buying SH through congressional action in the Unfunded Liabilities column for the past two years... while the OSD tried to kill the program. Next year the F-35C buys start to ramp up with USN IOC and the funding will be directed to that...

No, this government doesn't care whether we are meeting our current requirements or not, they were looking for a convenient pretext to get Super Hornets and they thought they found one. I'm not kidding you, that's their intent. Think about the break in logic here: "we really think we need to...

They were ignored or not consulted. That's why the gag order exists; the Liberals believe that they can ram this through and if they keep the Armed Forces quiet, they can avoid it sticking to them. The "analysis" for this decision (and I use quotation marks deliberately because it barely fits...

We can have them delivered and in-service faster and for a significantly lower cost (even if we did an "interim" buy of F-35s now). This has to do with the fact that the F/A-18E has to be bought through FMS, the limitations of the St Louis line, and the set-up time for a new squadron training...

There are two parts to this. First the Block 2B F-35 has all of the capabilities that the F/A-18E and even more. That's been in service for nearly two years now. Next month the USMC will deploy to Iwakuni Japan, as part of the United States' primary capability to deter Chinese and North Korean...

Um, you're off the mark. The people who are most aware of the systems of systems approach work in this specific area. Instead the government told them to shut it, put a gag order on them, then conducted its own procurement process from the minister's office based on what they were told by Boeing...

So I don't think that anything you said about your experiences contradict anything I said;  I fully agree and acknowledge all of the F-22's current capabilities in my post above. It is the premier tactical aircraft right now.. Certainly I don't have your experience of it up close, however I do...

Yes, I'm very well aware of what the F-22 brings in terms of its sensors and capabilities, I gave an overview of that several pages ago. However what's not apparent is just how limited those capabilities are in terms of future growth, and even how they relate to the future battlefield...

No, it won't. The real problem is that they actually don't have a workable avionics system for the aircraft: that's going to have to be started from scratch or ported over from the F-35 at an immense cost. The EMD for this part of the system was one of the reasons why Gates canned the fighter in...

Uhh, is this what you were looking for? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4auM08D-S_E Frankly, they don't need to "sell" it at every single instance. Its blindingly obvious to everybody internationally (except for the Canadian public) that this aircraft basically is a revolutionary advance...

Probably right Tacco... but perhaps once more unto the breach, and I'll walk away. I never said that there weren't issues. However there are issues with the F/A-18E. What you've failed to grasp is those issues largely pertain to capabilities that the Super Hornet does not, nor will ever...

No, that's your view, not an objective assessment of the facts. Right off the bat, You have USAF IOC in less than six months. We couldn't even put together the bureaucratic machinery together to make our order in that time... and the real delivery date would be likely in two years. By the time...

I'm going to be blunt. The problem isnt that this is an echo chamber.... that would be such a trivial thing if it was. Rather the problem is that the viewpoints expressed by several members here, are not more widely known in the public. the problem is that we have an electorate that frankly do...

Actually, no. the F-35 is just as fast (and very likely faster) to be acquired and delivered to Canada than the F/A-18E, and its certainly quicker to train. A very quick overview on aircraft manufacturing process in the United States: through the budgeting cycle and production it takes over...

Certainly it is not clear cut... in some ways its not as bad, in some ways its much, much worse (a bit like brexit, perhaps due to the complexity of both). Canada getting punted will create an increase in the costs to the partners: it will be akin to a Diminishing Manufacturing Sources cost to a...

No, that's incorrect. The pure acquisitions' price (recurring flyaway) of the F-35 is actually $6.5 billion dollars. The 2.5 billion on top of that is milcon, project management, initial set up, spares ect. That 7 billion figure for F/A-18Es is the rough equivalent to the 6.0 billion. That's the...