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    The Great Gun Control Debate

    Sources: : Statistics Canada, Canadian Centre for Justice Statistics, Homicide Surveys? The Halifax police service? Super unreliable? And I like how you just assume that the untraceable firearms MUST have come from somewhere else. Thats an excellent assumption. Of course when I worked in...
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    The Great Gun Control Debate

    Your lawyer friend is playing the media- as soon as a lawyer tells you that suing the RCMP wont change how they do business you know they dont have a leg to stand on. Thats the only way the government changes business. That and when the supreme court tells them something is wrong. So we'll have...
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    The Great Gun Control Debate

    The firearms were seized with the intention to return them to the owners- from the first statement on. One of you PLEASE hypothesize what the dark hearted idea behind taking the firearms while the folks were out of town is? Its a huge administrative burden- why would they do that.....just to...
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    The Great Gun Control Debate

    The statements have indicated they were improperly stored. I know lots of cops dont know the rules. Lots do. No one has provided any evidence that the firearms were seized while properly stored. Not only that, jail house lawyer  ;D , but in order to commit an offence, outside of negligence...
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    The Great Gun Control Debate

    that lawyer needs to go back to school. Plain view doctrine has been enshrined in common law forever. I do agree the laws need changing though.
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    The Great Gun Control Debate

    Seriously. Of the firearms crime im investigating at this moment none of them are "smuggled". Do you not think maybe what works for crime in VANCOUVER doesnt work elsewhere? http://www.cisc.gc.ca/annual_reports/annual_report_2007/feature_focus_2007_e.html The two main sources of firearms for...
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    The Great Gun Control Debate

    Obviously this leads us back to "why not their gold?" Because firearms are highly desirable, valuable, and pose a safety risk once they are stolen to everyone that shares our society (not BEFORE they are stolen). It is in everyones interest to make sure sensitive items are looked after- there is...
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    The Great Gun Control Debate

    ??? They wont go on a national database. Im now outside my lane- but I would assume they wont be linked to an address but will be listed as "disposed of" once returned to the owner. And that persons name isn't attached to the movement of the firearm "entity". So the info will exist in a paper...
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    The Great Gun Control Debate

    Every rifle I take from a banger was stolen from someones house. How is it hogwash again? Where is it that gang members around the prairies are getting guns? They are getting them by stealing them.... AH! I m not looking again! You guys can have your thread back. I swear im done!  :D PM me if...
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    The Great Gun Control Debate

    The CBC story was updated: At a press conference Friday in High River held by provincial and municipal officials, RCMP Insp. Gerrett Woolsey told reporters several hundred guns had been seized as officers inspected every home they could enter over a period of several days. "It's no different...
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    The Great Gun Control Debate

    Agreed. And its super sad that it was ever allowed to get this adversarial.
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    The Great Gun Control Debate

    Im not saying the owners are in the wrong. Thats why I dont support charges- I think the owners are victims of a natural disaster and alot of the guns very well could have been moved up so they wouldnt be water damaged- thats a reasonable excuse given extraordinary circumstance. I have no doubt...
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    The Great Gun Control Debate

    Not unfair. I disagree- BUT it is not unfair. I would be pretty ignorant if I would try to say that some police officers, some very influential, do not have a holy war on firearms. It would just be frigging nice if instead of trying to make a news quips we could do a little 'just the facts'...
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    The Great Gun Control Debate

    You know you havent supplied one example that that is what happened in any of these houses. It says they were stored in plain view improperly and will be returned.
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    The Great Gun Control Debate

    except for the fact that there is legal authority to seize firearms improperly in plain view when your legally present.
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    The Great Gun Control Debate

    My fault. I was completely wrong. Mea Culpa. I had no idea- his one man war on firearms is just as bad. Maybe worse in that case
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    The Great Gun Control Debate

    Ontario and their Chief firearms guy, a civilian, come up with some bizarre fights.
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    The Great Gun Control Debate

    Recce- I appreciate your position but your mistaken. The detachment commanders and incident commanders have zero knowledge of firearms law. As do most police officers- it isnt required to do our jobs in a general sense. Someone cant carry in public. Guns cant be left "lying around". That is all...
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    The Great Gun Control Debate

    That would be a case of stupid cop rather than whipping gun owners though. And we dont know if thats ANY of the firearms that were seized. Wouldnt surprise me though- but the officer is acting in good faith so no criminal liability is present. Civil is another story.
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    The Great Gun Control Debate

    I dont follow?
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