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    Canadian River Class Destroyer Megathread

    https://mobile.navaltoday.com/2019/01/21/spain-starting-construction-of-new-f-110-frigates-in-may/ At about 1.0 billion US$ per ship, 5 units to be delivered between 2025 and 2030-31. The multimission bay, as far as i remember from other articles, is not as big as in Type 26, but is in parallel...
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    Status on Victoria-class Submarines?

    My first choice would be Soryu, but japanese may be reluctant to export their technology. Then the german type 212 -CD , with extended range compared to the standard version, might fit RCN needs.
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    New Canadian Shipbuilding Strategy

    Just by chance, one month later, I come across these ... T-ATS (X) being built for the US Navy: https://mobile.navaltoday.com/2019/01/09/us-navys-new-t-atsx-class-vessels-to-feature-macgregor-deck-machinery/...
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    Save Money and Get a Big Ship

    Happy new year to everyone. And now an interesting link to an article about Australian aircraft capabilities reached onboard their Canberra class LHDs. I wish you like it. http://australianaviation.com.au/2018/12/ship-shape-army-amphibious-air-operations-cleared-for-duty/
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    New Canadian Shipbuilding Strategy

    Please correct me if I'm wrong or the Leadmark 2050 I am using is no longer valid, but in page 58, under "platforms" column, it states:  http://navy-marine.forces.gc.ca/assets/NAVY_Internet/docs/en/rcn_leadmark-2050.pdf Before 2035  ==> Incremental HA/DR capacity & capability introduced...
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    Question regarding AIP and O2 generation

    Very good summary  :nod: Now my question is: how do nuke submarines use the energy to break up through the thick ice? Is it just by pushing (propulsion) or might they use hot water jets? Would it work to launch a torpedo to detonate some hundreds of meters away from the submarine to make the...
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    New Canadian Shipbuilding Strategy

    Quite sensible, indeed.
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    New Canadian Shipbuilding Strategy

    If the yards are full, no need to re-invent the wheel. Why not call the aussies and order 3 or 4 Hobarts? They are AWD with C2 capabilities. I am pretty sure they could deliver on fixed price and within schedule.
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    Arctic/Offshore Patrol Ship AOPS

    Regarding propulsion systems, the F-110 frigate (similar to type 26) is the spanish next ASW frigate and is expected to use a CODLOG plant, but a CODLADOG plant was alternatively proposed (see picture with both options): combined diesel-electric and diesel Or Gas  :nod: The design has been...
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    New Canadian Shipbuilding Strategy

    First of all, thanks for all your inputs, they make me learn from all. This was a “what if” game and I didn’t want to extend too much in my previous post. Supporting my idea, let me drop a few more comments… One point is that I saw 17 knots somehow slow compared to the 2x4.5 MW motors. Then I...
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    Arctic/Offshore Patrol Ship AOPS

    I have just realized this recently. The diesel-electric plant on the CSC is designed to provide a low noise  print. If AOPS is not really intended for ASW ... which are the other benefits expected from the use of such plant ?
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    New Canadian Shipbuilding Strategy

    Back to the "poll"... I would go for two new ships based on the AOPS but fitted for/as  submarine rescue and ocean-going tugs. I think they would not need big changes from original AOPS, main ones could be - dedicated new sonar and sensors suite - longer endurance, so the need for increased fuel...
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    Loss of Norwegian frigate Helge Ingstad

    Going back to the preliminary report, I have read in some spanish forum: https://www.boards2go.com/boards/board.cgi?action=read&id=1543582172.57417&user=morato - the norwegian frigates were designed with a reinforced hull, bulkheads and watertight compartments to some extent as for some ice...
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    Canadian River Class Destroyer Megathread

    As for a fair and transparent process, it would be nice National Procurement publishing the scores of each of the three bids, if not item by item, partial ones, such as technical,  value-proposal, madurity, etc. "All the Stage 3 scores will be weighted and added together to get the bidder’s...
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    AOR Replacement & the Joint Support Ship (Merged Threads)

    Two and a half years from contract signatue to launch of first Aussie AOR. Pretty good schedule. https://mobile.navaltoday.com/2018/11/23/first-australian-supply-class-aor-launched-in-spain/ On the other hand Turkish LHD Anadolu keeps on track. At the end of the day Navantia seems to be a...
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    Canadian River Class Destroyer Megathread

    Even if they were identical to the british type 26... has anybody seen one afloat? Strictly speaking (IMHO) it is not an off-the-shelf vessel since none has been yet commissioned nor launched. EDITED: That is the other side of betting for the newest design on the race. The best part is that...
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    Save Money and Get a Big Ship

    Thanks BAZ for your insightful and instructive replies. I can only agree with most of you have said. You have shown me there is a gap for one or two HA/DR ships, as to develop the skills, including shore connectors (lcu,lcm) needed when infrastructures are broken. And that gap should be...
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    Save Money and Get a Big Ship

    Following your words ... considering our GDP and position on the G7... we are not the ones with higher GDP nor the ones with more population. Nor should we have big problem to defend sovereignty on our territory, just in the Arctic. Being the case we don't have so many resources, both in terms...
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    Canadian River Class Destroyer Megathread

    I would like to point to the numbers and types of combatants foreseen in other, similar, navies. I refer to UK, France, Italy and to some extent to Australia. All of them are working as to have a fleet of about 12 (Aus) to 19 (UK) combatants, not just patrol boats, ready by about 2030s. All...
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    Canadian River Class Destroyer Megathread

    Considering factors such as difficulty for manning and budget, IMHO Canada should soon procure 4 ocean and arctic capable submarines. With soon I mean to be operative by mid 2020s (around 2025). Then... on a longer term, with about 5 years delay or as much as the Victoria class can be...
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