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  1. oldcpu

    TKMS Type 212CD (Victoria class replacement megathread)

    These are exciting times for the RCN. My having typed that, IMHO the RCN has its work cut out for itself in the next half dozen years, as it attempts to get ready for the Type-212CD submarines. It needs to provide qualified personnel to: (a) Man the existing Victoria (Upholder) class to...
  2. oldcpu

    TKMS Type 212CD (Victoria class replacement megathread)

    I note TKMS stock is now up 8% on the day (the news says up 12.5%). Investing website: Why is TKMS stock surging today
  3. oldcpu

    TKMS Type 212CD (Victoria class replacement megathread)

    It does look to me that speculators, likely from opposites sides of the world, are diving into both Hanwha Ocean and TKMS in the hopes that either company gets selected as the preferred supplier for the Canadian Patrol Submarine project. I don't want to spam every one with more charts. I...
  4. oldcpu

    TKMS Type 212CD (Victoria class replacement megathread)

    Interesting. I concede I did not (until now) recall that it is not uncommon for a South Korean leader to attend a NATO meeting.
  5. oldcpu

    TKMS Type 212CD (Victoria class replacement megathread)

    I can't help shake the feeling that the upcoming press announcements on 6-July (in Halifax by Canadian PM and in Esquimalt by Canadian Secretary of State (Defence Procurement), before a NATO meeting, means a NATO supplier of the submarine is to be selected (ie TKMS with Type-212CD) However, I...
  6. oldcpu

    Who needs sailors anyway?

    I should qualify this by saying that a 'crewed' vessel, currently generically referred to as "common crewed vessel' (or CCV) is being referred to as being the command ship that accompanys these uncrewed vessels. ... Having typed that, I get the impression this is all a bit fuzzy and tentative.
  7. oldcpu

    Who needs sailors anyway?

    You may find this recent "The Warzone" article of interest: UK Sacrifices Its Future Destroyer As Part Of Massive Bet On Drones Across Its Forces According to "The War Zone" the RN is considering a number of different warships to procure instead of an intended Type-83 Destroyer procurement...
  8. oldcpu

    TKMS Type 212CD (Victoria class replacement megathread)

    I saw this on the Canadian PM's announcement web site (dated 29-June) ... and it made me re-ponder your assessment (and that of others). https://www.pm.gc.ca/en/news/readouts/2026/06/29/prime-minister-carney-speaks-secretary-general-nato-mark-rutte From that PM news: Further on Noah's True...
  9. oldcpu

    TKMS Type 212CD (Victoria class replacement megathread)

    I think a lot of the chatter about recruitment and retention, apply to both classes of submarines being proposed to the RCN. Its an issue the CF (and within the CF the RCN) need to solve for year after year - and not just meet recruitment and retention goals for one year. The RCN is not the...
  10. oldcpu

    TKMS Type 212CD (Victoria class replacement megathread)

    I like your optimism regarding potential recruitment and retention, and I think that it is encouraging, but I believe we must remain cautious about assuming the recent uptick in Canadian Forces numbers translates directly into a sustained, long-term solution for the Royal Canadian Navy. Given...
  11. oldcpu

    TKMS Type 212CD (Victoria class replacement megathread)

    That is an interesting podcast. The comments under the podcast in the Youtube video comments section is also of interest. There are a lot of misinformed statements in the comments, but regardless, its an interesting debate. Reference Dr. Paul T. Mitchell's talk in the podcast, I don't know...
  12. oldcpu

    TKMS Type 212CD (Victoria class replacement megathread)

    I disagree with your characterization of my post. Solves the manpower problem? Solves the man power problem?? Who stated that? First - lets not exaggerate nor make up words on what I posted. Shall we be clear on that? I never stated it "SOLVED" the manpower problem. Go back and read my...
  13. oldcpu

    Canadian River Class Destroyer Megathread

    The River Class is planned to be built in batches. I wonder, if the quantity 15 might be at some point reduced to a smaller number, with a different capability warship procured instead for the remaining hulls? I am thinking of possibly a similar displacement warship that could be a drone...
  14. oldcpu

    TKMS Type 212CD (Victoria class replacement megathread)

    Further to the above I note this CTV article from 23-June https://guelph.ctvnews.ca/canada/article/a-submarine-economic-boom-is-just-around-corner-so-are-the-challenges/ where in it I note this quote: again - no mention of schedule. I wonder (while dated 23-June) if that quote referencing...
  15. oldcpu

    TKMS Type 212CD (Victoria class replacement megathread)

    Here is a 22-June CTV article (not quite as recent) https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/article/the-navy-is-getting-new-submarines-what-will-canada-use-them-for/ where it states .. in that same article former navy commander Mark Norman, now with the consultancy Samuel Associates, gives his...
  16. oldcpu

    TKMS Type 212CD (Victoria class replacement megathread)

    The Poles are also procuring a submarine class from a NATO country. I refer to the A26 Blekinge-class submarine for Poland's Orka (Orca) procurement program. These submarines are being built by the Swedish defense company Saab Kockums
  17. oldcpu

    TKMS Type 212CD (Victoria class replacement megathread)

    I am pretty certain TKMS would more than welcome an order of 12 submarines to Canada, regardless as to how full their order book may be. As you note, a German politician made that perfectly clear, where he noted that both Norway and Germany would give up one of their early place 'in line' boat...
  18. oldcpu

    TKMS Type 212CD (Victoria class replacement megathread)

    A pre-NATO meeting announcement? My view is Canada does not want to create an awkward situation at the meeting in front of Norwegian/German NATO allies. So if that CTV video is correct with a pre-NATO meeting announcement, it could be TKMS will be awarded a contract for 12 x Type-212CD...
  19. oldcpu

    TKMS Type 212CD (Victoria class replacement megathread)

    With regard to the emphasis on schedule, my understanding from media reporting is that the RCN has advised the Canadian government that both designs are technically acceptable, and that the remaining factors to decide on which submarine to procure are primarily industrial benefits and delivery...
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