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Bruce, sadly I have to accept the reality that the CF is not able to respond to something like this, unless it happens on someone else's soil in which case we will team up with the local authorities (and maybe other countries) as part of a task force to help. That doesn't change that fact that...

Anyone know of somewhere that would make something similiar to the Crye stuff in CADPAT? ;) I'm sure RSMs everywhere would allow us to wear it in the field.

Good point FormerHorseGuard! It certainly would make sense to start learning that stuff now, instead of having our troops just become another casualty when they are sent in as a last ditch effort.

What kind of matter was that again?  ::) Too lazy to spell check MG?

This thing is scarey! It gives grid co-ords for positions of tactical importance, even bearing and distance from a known point. Anyone else see this as a problem?

It's best Canada figures out NOW why we NEED a military instead of them realising later why the SHOULD have had one.

Wow, if that was from memory I am totally impressed.

I'm good to go Slim, thanks for the patience.

The CF being part of the command element is still participating, being part of the first response....monitoring that command element would help us to establish just how we could fit into it.

I was unaware that we were part of the effort, the article I found didn't say that. And you're right, we don't need to put troops on the city streets, just be part of the effort. If the article would have said that I wouldn't have even started this debate. Thanks for the clarification...

Bruce, your missing the point, the training is so that we don't fail, the viewing by the public is just a perk to help with public image and recruiting. Sorry Slim, I am done.

Bruce, in a training situation we want to be be seen...it gives those on the civy street a warm and fuzzy feeling. Sorry Slim, I didn't realise this would go on SO long.  We are in a democracy so I have to conceed to the majority even if I don't agree of what the CF posn should be in this case...

Now we are getting somewhere.....I realise it isn't our sandbox, but we are expected to participate if things go BAD, wouldn't it have been good for recruiting and public image to have been part of the recent test in TO? Most training is near worst case scenario, if we are the last effort it...

George, your right the Civy world really has no idea what and who we are....yes we train to kill, and that includes terrorists on our soil. And absolutely Slim, the first response must always be the civilian police, firefighters and EMS.  Any effort by the CF would be to augment them.

I have seen most of the kit and training that the civy services have, and I am not saying we should replace them. I simply feel that we should be part of the anti-terrorism effort here in Canada.

Sorry, didn't realise it sounded like I was giving attitude, I was shocked at the response I was getting and figured maybe I misunderstanding, so I was attempting to clarify.  I made the joke about coffee to try to lighten the situation a bit.  Obviously I am not a comedian. I meant no...

You've lost me OldRanger...maybe I need more coffee or you need less.....but what are you talking about? The JTF aren't the ONLY members of the CF that respond to terrorist. And are the people who live in Canada part of the country?

KevinB, if they had that in CADPAT I would own it.

JTF units everywhere? Uh huh, that's a bit extreme.... And I understand the chain of command, but thanks for the lesson, it's more for the other groups involved.  For us to get to know how they work and for them to know us. So let me get this straight,  no one else feels they need to protect...

KevinB you are bang on the money with reconfiguring the pockets! I have always hated the way they were set-up. I don't mind the button covers, but I definately found the uncovered buttons easier to get into.