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I understand who you think is in the minority - I have my own view - and I have never known a majority of the serving members I knew, to be incapable of attending to their own religious needs. Removing the headdress is the perfect example. It isn't religious. It is only the rolling out of the...

There are more occupations than just the CF that are employed in isolated locations, yet without the need to employ a padre. If the CF feels that it must bow to the few members who can't make it a few months without visiting a padre, then the service can be provided in a similar fashion as the...

I do not believe that you have the right to demand that your employer provide you with religious services. This entire topic has been started by a court decision regarding a commander who was giving an unlawful command by ordering the people they commanded to participate in the religious...

No. I'm stating that the religious content of CF ceremonies are a liability and also that the government and the CF should get out of the business of subsidizing religions. The argument is a simple one to follow, you (not the literal you) have rights, but you (not the literal you) must accept...

I cannot speak to the specifics of the RC religion, but I presume they have some way of dealing with people who have died without a priest being present. Chasing the eccentricities of religions is a fool's game. You end up in a state where the religion with the most ridiculous rules has the...

Yes. Clearly we don't have a Chaplain trailing behind each RC incase they die. So whatever the peculiarities of any of the multitude of religions are, they can occur after repatriation. I believe that most Canadians think that the government should stay out of religion. Individualization of...

At least we agree that removing religious content from CF ceremonies will not have a negative impact on the CF. As to "why": aside from it just being wrong, I have also pointed out the liability that it is. The ceremonies themselves are the source of strength and comfort, the religious content...

No, that isn't what I've said. I'm only advocating the limited changes required to fix the problem. Remove the chaplains, the call to prayers, and the church services, and its done. It won't be dramatic, but it will keep the CF out of this legal quagmire.

The minority are the ones constantly complaining to keep religious content in, and to the detriment of, the CF. Ecumenical - well... there is no pan-religious ceremony outside of a non-religious ceremony.

We disagree on who the minority is, but it is the detriment where it shows. The detriment from the minority demanding religious content in CF ceremonies is apparent in the very judgment this topic is about. Commanders are at risk of having to run a continuous obstacle course of legal matters...

The twist is deliberate to show that the argument is as equally valid when reversed. Reversing the argument is also a commentary on your statement: Though it was softly delivered, you are stating that those who disagree with you are just troublemakers, and who are either mentally troubled...

Military ceremonies, including those concerning sacrifice, grief, and dealing with loss, do not require a padre, or an order to pray. Ceremonies can remain solemn (and even spiritual) without religion. A "moment of silence" can be inserted anywhere a prayer would previously be called for...

I have nothing against religious people, in general, but you miss the point. What you, or the Queen, do in your own time is not at issue. Even for a member of the CF there is plenty of personal time to take care of ones own religious peculiarities. If you are overseas, and the military...

I couldn't agree more. There is no legitimate reason to have a religious service within the military. And as for those whose beliefs continue to force them to demand to have religious services in the military - well - I would like to think their complaints have a purpose, other than to cause...

Our current system could be replaced by 308 names being pulled from a hat - it would work because Canadians would make it work. Good Government and Democracy can be the same thing. More democracy doesn't have to mean worse government. The system we use should be as democratic as we can make...

I see the intent... but the 12? Do you have a different source for the E.D.? From: http://forums.army.ca/forums/threads/40865/post-349795.html#msg349795

The CD itself replaced similar medals of varying criteria - so the idea of changing it is probably still in. Actually, the CD (when first awarded) shows that a person had 1 year more "Dedication" than a person serving 11 years, and 1 year less "Dedication" than a person serving 13 years...

Then we should ensure that we actually do have a representative democracy.

A lot of the technicalities (but not this actual news item) were covered in a similar topic: Should everyone get a CD? (http://forums.army.ca/forums/threads/40865.0.html) A modified summary of the idea was to recognize service in the CF with a medal if meeting enough criteria to be "deemed to...

No Proportional Representation. No Regional Representation. Leadership determined by questionable party memberships. Head of Government only actually elected by plurality in their own riding - and not voted for at all from the remaining ridings. And now, apparently, a population too...