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  1. McG

    Do we need Cadets? Should they be military/uniformed? (split from Trump administration 2024-2028)

    I can think of several individuals (of different backgrounds) who went on to be fitness trainers as retirement jobs; might still call many of them fit for their age, but none would be passing a fitness test designed for a 20 or 30 year old. I can also think of a former CO who packed on a lot of...
  2. McG

    Do we need Cadets? Should they be military/uniformed? (split from Trump administration 2024-2028)

    No. Being subject to the CSD and NDA is not a BFOR for a fitness test. The CF Express test was replaced because it could not be defended as a BFOR even for Reg F. It is a heritage thing for the Reg F and PRes as well. If you want to abolish it because it only exists for heritage, then that...
  3. McG

    Do we need Cadets? Should they be military/uniformed? (split from Trump administration 2024-2028)

    It was removed for lack of BFOR and to eliminate needless costs of administering a test that could not be defended in court. None of this has bearing on BFOR for a fitness test. Okay, since you are telling me you don't know what a BFOR is, I will offer you this: Implement the decision -...
  4. McG

    Do we need Cadets? Should they be military/uniformed? (split from Trump administration 2024-2028)

    I am confident there was no BFOR for CIC to pass the FORCE test because they don’t perform the tasks that the test is a predictor for. You are advocating for a change that would require the existence of a BFOR. So you need to identify the BFOR. If you want to argue there is a Big Foot, you...
  5. McG

    Do we need Cadets? Should they be military/uniformed? (split from Trump administration 2024-2028)

    If there is no BFOR, the law says that is demanding too much. You are assuming there was one.
  6. McG

    Do we need Cadets? Should they be military/uniformed? (split from Trump administration 2024-2028)

    If you are talking about the reserve force as a whole without distinction by sub-component, the answer is that they are not.
  7. McG

    Do we need Cadets? Should they be military/uniformed? (split from Trump administration 2024-2028)

    What is the bona fide occupational requirement (BFOR)?
  8. McG

    Do we need Cadets? Should they be military/uniformed? (split from Trump administration 2024-2028)

    The commissioning scroll is a heritage thing. We do it because we have been doing it longer than we have been a nation. Nobody needs it and the institution would survive if the CAF stopped issuing them tomorrow. So why single out CIC if you want to remove it? A commissioning scroll is not...
  9. McG

    Do we need Cadets? Should they be military/uniformed? (split from Trump administration 2024-2028)

    What do you believe necessitates a commission? What is it they don't do that makes you want to take it away?
  10. McG

    Do we need Cadets? Should they be military/uniformed? (split from Trump administration 2024-2028)

    Is the requirement for a commision that everyone do the same job? Because Regular and Reserve officers don't do the same job, and each occupation within a component does a different job. No two MOSID do the same job.
  11. McG

    Do we need Cadets? Should they be military/uniformed? (split from Trump administration 2024-2028)

    So the proposal is to abolish commissioning scrolls for all the CAF? Because NCOs & civilians working anywhere in the department also do so without commissions, and that’s the argument?
  12. McG

    Do we need Cadets? Should they be military/uniformed? (split from Trump administration 2024-2028)

    Leading troops is the primary reason the CAF has doctors, lawyers, padres, and pilots. Its effectiveness should be measured against its mandate. It has no mandate related to operational needs of the CAF. It exists to develop in youth the attributes of good citizenship and leadership, promote...
  13. McG

    Do we need Cadets? Should they be military/uniformed? (split from Trump administration 2024-2028)

    So, your actual position has been that you want to disband the cadet program?
  14. McG

    Do we need Cadets? Should they be military/uniformed? (split from Trump administration 2024-2028)

    Aside from some Reg F & PRes members seemingly feeling threatened by their existence, I don't see a problem in the relationship between the CIC & remainder of the CAF. Are you fixing a problem that doesn't exist? "Lots of people agree with me" is not a persuasive argument. Lots of people can be...
  15. McG

    Do we need Cadets? Should they be military/uniformed? (split from Trump administration 2024-2028)

    Is it? Where is that codified as its raison d'être? You are presenting your wants as facts. Its purpose is to develop in youth the attributes of good citizenship and leadership, promote physical fitness, and stimulate an interest in the sea, land, and air activities of the Canadian Armed Forces...
  16. McG

    Do we need Cadets? Should they be military/uniformed? (split from Trump administration 2024-2028)

    Don't confuse your wants with institutional needs.
  17. McG

    Do we need Cadets? Should they be military/uniformed? (split from Trump administration 2024-2028)

    Maybe they do, maybe not, but why does their having it hurt you so?
  18. McG

    Trump administration 2024-2028

    The wise man always goes on TV and provides the soundbites that will support the businesses that want to sue for damages.
  19. McG

    Do we need Cadets? Should they be military/uniformed? (split from Trump administration 2024-2028)

    Why? There is no bona fide occupational requirement for CIC to meet universality of service, learn warfighting skills, nor have a degree (but each of these would impose a cost on the institution). I see no operational need for anything being proposed here. It just an emotional need to make an...
  20. McG

    Do we need Cadets? Should they be military/uniformed? (split from Trump administration 2024-2028)

    Maybe the Canadian Cadet program discussion goes to a thread in the cadet board? Cadets / CIC
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