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1 CER HAS NEVER HAD A LIGHT CAPABILITY ; JUST A BUNCH OF WANNABEES WHO (READ 6 JUMP WONDERS) DIDN'T WANT TO TAKE THE POSTING TO PETAWAWA, BUT THOUGHT IT WOULD BE COOL TO RUN AROUND WITH JUMP RUCKS. :gunner:
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That's right. 1 CER did not have a light troop conducting airmobile operations in Afghanistan and it does not have a troop that regularly trains with and sends soldiers to jump with 3 PPCLIE39G said:
. . . no wait. They do: 4 Tp.
Perhapse you are confusing the days when the Airborne existed for today.
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Nick, chill out.
"1 CER HAS NEVER HAD A LIGHT CAPABILITY"
Perhaps not in the deep dark past (like when you left in '85), but they do now (as was highlighted on OP APOLLO).
"JUST A BUNCH OF WANNABEES WHO (READ 6 JUMP WONDERS) DIDN'T WANT TAKE THE POSTING TO PETAWAWA, BUT THOUGHT IT WOULD BE COOL TO RUN AROUND WITH JUMP RUCKS."
In my world soldiers go to the unit the Career Manager posts them to. This often has little to do with their own preferences and these days they stay there for a long time. Not too many postings between Regts these days. In any case, 1 CER is putting the best qualified pers (sometimes they have seven jumps...) that they can into 4 Tp, such as the TP WO (formerly Airborne Regt, JM, etc).
Doug
(formerly 4 Tp 1 CER......... and 1 Tp, 2 Tp, 4Tp & 5 Tp 2 CER)
"1 CER HAS NEVER HAD A LIGHT CAPABILITY"
Perhaps not in the deep dark past (like when you left in '85), but they do now (as was highlighted on OP APOLLO).
"JUST A BUNCH OF WANNABEES WHO (READ 6 JUMP WONDERS) DIDN'T WANT TAKE THE POSTING TO PETAWAWA, BUT THOUGHT IT WOULD BE COOL TO RUN AROUND WITH JUMP RUCKS."
In my world soldiers go to the unit the Career Manager posts them to. This often has little to do with their own preferences and these days they stay there for a long time. Not too many postings between Regts these days. In any case, 1 CER is putting the best qualified pers (sometimes they have seven jumps...) that they can into 4 Tp, such as the TP WO (formerly Airborne Regt, JM, etc).
Doug
(formerly 4 Tp 1 CER......... and 1 Tp, 2 Tp, 4Tp & 5 Tp 2 CER)
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ok boys maybe I was bit hard on the
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sorry i hit the post button too soon... anyway as I was saying my apologies to the ELITE STORM TROOPERS OF 4 TP 1CER , AND THEIR EX ABN REGT TP WO ( hi Russ) HE MUST BE UP TO AT LEAST 9 JUMPS BY NOW.
Seeing as these guys carried out elite AIRMOBILE OPERATIONS WITH 3 PPCLI on OP APOLLO,.....I am truly sorry , can't say it enough....They would make Appleton proud. Dear Mr McG and Mr STANDARDS ( good one Doug) with all your vast knowledge on the subject of fast roping and HALO jumps please enlighten me on the subject.
Perhaps provide some of your experience in the LIGHT Ops world....or your jump coin will do... Mine is on the Screen.
Seeing as these guys carried out elite AIRMOBILE OPERATIONS WITH 3 PPCLI on OP APOLLO,.....I am truly sorry , can't say it enough....They would make Appleton proud. Dear Mr McG and Mr STANDARDS ( good one Doug) with all your vast knowledge on the subject of fast roping and HALO jumps please enlighten me on the subject.
Perhaps provide some of your experience in the LIGHT Ops world....or your jump coin will do... Mine is on the Screen.
whooooeeee, there are some hard troops out there. I am embarrassed that E39g is flashing his coin as a measure of his soldiering might. A true Airborne soldier would never do such a thing. I watched the national just like I'm sure he did, and was duly impressed with the grand hump the boys did thru those caves. I have been in a few ( very few)missions, and can appreciate the stress that charging off in the dark into the unknown caused. I hope this whole rant has been tongue in cheek, but if it was, it is lost when wriiten vs spoken. Now you wimps from 1 cer, stop whining about how tough you are, and get to work. You've all been in too long anyway and the sapperes and Cpls are the ones busting their asses and doing all the humping and gut stomping anyhow. Tell your glory days stories in the Sgts & WO's mess.Take care of your warriors
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It seems to me that "flashing a coin" is a big thing in North America. In the UK I flash my blisters and calluses. lol
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E39G, the point I was trying to make is rather than dwelling in the past (i.e. what Airborne/Light Engineer capability we used to have), look at what's going on now and what direction we are going in to build future capabilities. I don't think we will ever see the old days come back but we do need to try and preserve the corporate knowledge that is still available plus try and give the young hard chargers something to focus their energy.
As far as some of your other comments in running down 4 Tp go, grow up. I know I have served in eight different Fd Tps, Res, Sp, a couple of SHQ's, RHQ, etc and so have you. You should know better than to run down one group of guys because you might be posted there next (and by the way, I haven't been in 4 Tp since shortly after OP APOLLO - I used them as an example). I can hardly throw s**t at you for your name/call sign as I was 39G for my last year and half in 2 CER (97'-99').
Regarding your personal comments about my background, I have always respected yours and other pers accomplishments but for some reason you always want to be the a*****e and disrespect other people.
Now do you have anything constructive to add? What are you doing lately in order to train and maintain light capabilities in your Sqn?
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As far as some of your other comments in running down 4 Tp go, grow up. I know I have served in eight different Fd Tps, Res, Sp, a couple of SHQ's, RHQ, etc and so have you. You should know better than to run down one group of guys because you might be posted there next (and by the way, I haven't been in 4 Tp since shortly after OP APOLLO - I used them as an example). I can hardly throw s**t at you for your name/call sign as I was 39G for my last year and half in 2 CER (97'-99').
Regarding your personal comments about my background, I have always respected yours and other pers accomplishments but for some reason you always want to be the a*****e and disrespect other people.
Now do you have anything constructive to add? What are you doing lately in order to train and maintain light capabilities in your Sqn?
Doug
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E39G said:
O.K. granted you earned your coin,but of late our Corp. can't because of so called BUDGET retestraints.
Hey I know of many who wish that we could have a AIR BORNE Unit again.
I serve with one Sapper who is Jump and Combat Diver Qual and he also feels as you do.
Yes we need to bring our combined Air Borne ability back.\\
UBIQUE
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Gully ; Point taken about the coin. Next time you see it will be in the mess. My point is over the past decade Sappers have been in many situations much like that one in Afghanistan ( my troop did 4 days of cave searches in Sanski Most Bosnia last year. In many of which the guys had to wear dry suits with the amount of water in there. As Sappers 1 / 2 / 5 RGC and 4 ESR we all put ourselves in harms way to ensure the rest of the TF can live move and fight. But when you start calling yourself LIGHT Troop and compare yourself to 2 Tp Para , or the troop which was with the Regt prior to disbandment. Just not on, in my books. Where is Brian Macintosh or Rance Vaudner when I need them ..... Chimo Brother!!
Standards ; when you shoot from the hip expect it back. Especially from those who know you Doug.
McG; you seem to be really quit lately
39 G out. .......
Standards ; when you shoot from the hip expect it back. Especially from those who know you Doug.
McG; you seem to be really quit lately
39 G out. .......
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I thought the important stuffs been said already by others.
However, I'll draw attention to the fact that 4 Tp is the light troop. It is not, and does not pretend to be the jump troop. They do train extensively in the light role, they do airmobile on ex, they have jumped a tp(-) on a few ex during the past two years, and they are tasked to support the light battlion out here (3 VP). So, what would you call them?
However, I'll draw attention to the fact that 4 Tp is the light troop. It is not, and does not pretend to be the jump troop. They do train extensively in the light role, they do airmobile on ex, they have jumped a tp(-) on a few ex during the past two years, and they are tasked to support the light battlion out here (3 VP). So, what would you call them?
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Spr Earl ; Yes it was part of a cache search op known as OP FOOL's GOLD. Lots of water bats ,bat shit. At one point 3 Section had to scale a 40 ft wall in order to proceed with the search. One of my 2 IC's was on the cover of MAPLE LEAF for it ( Nov or Dec 03 edition)
McG; Good to see you are still there. In answer to your question I would call them 4 Tp 1 CER!!!!
Why is there a need to designate them as a LIGHT/ Jump Tp. You can not tell me that the rest of the Tp's in the Unit couldn't provide the same kind of Engr Support you are talking about. 2 tp just left here (Kabul), and knowing most of the lads in that Tp (Greener was the WO) I know that there is enough divers and jumpers there to carry out the tasks you are talking about.
As far as I am concerned this subject is closed ...... Move on before I piss Kent off again, and pull out my Coin.
Chimo all ... E39G out.
McG; Good to see you are still there. In answer to your question I would call them 4 Tp 1 CER!!!!
Why is there a need to designate them as a LIGHT/ Jump Tp. You can not tell me that the rest of the Tp's in the Unit couldn't provide the same kind of Engr Support you are talking about. 2 tp just left here (Kabul), and knowing most of the lads in that Tp (Greener was the WO) I know that there is enough divers and jumpers there to carry out the tasks you are talking about.
As far as I am concerned this subject is closed ...... Move on before I piss Kent off again, and pull out my Coin.
Chimo all ... E39G out.
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Divers are not a light task. Some in our branch would have us believe that divers are a function of light engineering, but that is not the case.
2 Tp is not tasked to support the light battalion and it is expected to maintain the mechanized skills required to support a mechanized infantry battalion. Why does it offend your sensibilities that 4 Tp is tasked with a light role to support a light battalion? Does 2 CER not establish Sqn & Tp affiliations with the infantry battalions and armoured regiment that it supports?
Your coin is not an argument. Using it as such only confirms that you can not distinguish between airborne and the braoder spectrum of light forces.
2 Tp is not tasked to support the light battalion and it is expected to maintain the mechanized skills required to support a mechanized infantry battalion. Why does it offend your sensibilities that 4 Tp is tasked with a light role to support a light battalion? Does 2 CER not establish Sqn & Tp affiliations with the infantry battalions and armoured regiment that it supports?
Your coin is not an argument. Using it as such only confirms that you can not distinguish between airborne and the braoder spectrum of light forces.
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E39G said:
http://forums.army.ca/forums/threads/27675.0.html
Since you have a coin and I don't, why don't you come over and help us out instead of implying that the rest of us are shitbirds because we never got a maroon hat....
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I am completely in awe of these guys !!!!
SURE WISH THEY HAD THIS AROUND WHEN I WAS A CPL , in the 90's in 2 CER. OH WAIT THEY DID IT WAS CALLED 2 TP PARA.
ANOTHER CRAPPY DAY IN KABUL SO I FIGURE WHAT THE **** LETS MESS WITH YOUR HEADS SOME MORE.
" EX COELIS"
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SURE WISH THEY HAD THIS AROUND WHEN I WAS A CPL , in the 90's in 2 CER. OH WAIT THEY DID IT WAS CALLED 2 TP PARA.
ANOTHER CRAPPY DAY IN KABUL SO I FIGURE WHAT THE **** LETS MESS WITH YOUR HEADS SOME MORE.
" EX COELIS"
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