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Aussie Prime Minister calls for Republic when the Queen dies
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CougarDaddy said:
It doesn't matter if there's sentiment or not. Canada will no sooner legally become a republic than pigs will fly. We have Richard Hatfield to thank for that. His clause in the constitution requiring unanimous agreement of the provinces WRT changes to HM's role virtually ensures the Crown's continued presence in Canada.
Interestingly, he's also responsible for two other significant clauses: the right to minority language instruction, and the notwithstanding clause.
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ModlrMike said:
Except that if we are getting rid of the monarchy, the constitution wouldn't have validity since the constitution is dependant on the authority of the to be abolished monarchy.
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Why does no one ever mention how much money it would cost to do the change? Sawing off crowns from badges is easy but
but Parliment would change and all books and documents would have to be rewritten. The price would be astronamical!
but Parliment would change and all books and documents would have to be rewritten. The price would be astronamical!
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Eh,
From my point of view, money and everything aside, it seems like it would be 'closing the door' and breaking the final link Canada has to the Monarchy. Which seems pretty darn exciting.
I know the money and the legal side of it ARE a huge part of it. But it's nice to be 18 and have ignorant fantasies and visions durastic stuff happening, I guess.
From my point of view, money and everything aside, it seems like it would be 'closing the door' and breaking the final link Canada has to the Monarchy. Which seems pretty darn exciting.
I know the money and the legal side of it ARE a huge part of it. But it's nice to be 18 and have ignorant fantasies and visions durastic stuff happening, I guess.
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You actually think wasting untold BILLIONS of dollars is worth becoming a republic for? The Queen does not really effect what we do as a county in any way. Even without her it would run exactly as it does now. And you can imagine how much corruption would creep in, lots of contracts going out to change small stuff, that does not effect us in any way.
This would cost us way too much for making a few people feel like they were "over 18"
You can pay for it if you want but I will be against getting rid of the Monarchy. Its just not worth the cost.
This would cost us way too much for making a few people feel like they were "over 18"
You can pay for it if you want but I will be against getting rid of the Monarchy. Its just not worth the cost.
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boboyer said:
That comment with the one above about breaking the last tie is a metaphor for leaving the nest (double metaphor = mind officially blown).
The posters are comparing Canada to a young adult who is at the final stage before leaving their parents' house.
Breaking ties with the Queen/monarchy would be equivalent to moving out (a little less dramatically than the way the US did it when they knocked Dad out on their way out the door).
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This will be interesting to see how it plays out. I'm sure nothing will come of it but still none the less interesting to see what the former colonies try to do.
On a separate note, why now? Is the Queen dying and no one knows?
To be honest yes she is old, but she was old when I was born, is old now, and considering her access to wealth she will probably be old when she outlives me.
If Nixon can do it, can't the queen?
On a separate note, why now? Is the Queen dying and no one knows?
To be honest yes she is old, but she was old when I was born, is old now, and considering her access to wealth she will probably be old when she outlives me.
If Nixon can do it, can't the queen?
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I sure hope that the Aussie government does this and in my own personal opinion I have always believed that we as Canadains should also cut our ties to the monarchy . I really believe it's a useless tie to the past that does absolutely nothing for us . We need to be more independent as a nation and do things our own way .
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But Karl, sure the Monarchy does relatively nothing for us. But it does nothing to harm us either.
Cutting ties would waste so many years and dollars trying to fix and frankly de-**** the gvt.
If they do nothing for us then how is cutting ties making us more or less independent, you said it yourself they really don't do anything for us.
Cutting ties would waste so many years and dollars trying to fix and frankly de-**** the gvt.
If they do nothing for us then how is cutting ties making us more or less independent, you said it yourself they really don't do anything for us.
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Rogo
I here your thoughts but I still have to disagree with them . I still think we could get rid of the monarchy ties and that would also to get rid of the Governor General position also we than could change our ships from HMCS to something like the Canadian Service Ship witch sounds allot more Canadian . It just gives us more of our own approach to things instead of the same old thing handed to us a long time ago .
I here your thoughts but I still have to disagree with them . I still think we could get rid of the monarchy ties and that would also to get rid of the Governor General position also we than could change our ships from HMCS to something like the Canadian Service Ship witch sounds allot more Canadian . It just gives us more of our own approach to things instead of the same old thing handed to us a long time ago .
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Petamocto said:
I would submit that we moved out in 1982 with the Constitution Act. What's being discussed now is whether or not we should disown our mother.
karl28 said:
How are we not doing things our way now, that would change if we were to become a republic?
You will have much difficulty demonstrating how anything would be better for anyone if we were to do this. You're arguing on the basis of sentiment rather than practicality. There are sentimental arguments on both sides of this issue, but all of the practical arguments tend towards keeping the monarchy.
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Oh, yes, please! It's been nearly a generation since we've opened up that hideous constitution for discussion, and we're about due for another constitutional crisis. It'll feel like 1992 all over again as Ottawa makes a bold pronouncement, Quebec's premier (whoever it'll be) objects and demands more concessions, Eastern Canada (minus Quebec) accedes, Western Canada howls with outrage, the First Nations get run roughshod over politically, the whole project gets bogged down as more objections are raised by more groups as more arguments are started, at least five Royal Commissions are passed by parliament, one chaired yet again by Keith Spicer on defining Canada's future, and the whole mess gets dropped without one single change (apart from yet more bitter acrimony between the various regions) being made after spending billions of dollars.
Personally, I'd sooner keep HM, and her heirs and successors, as Canada's Head of State, as Canada's track record of creating public institutions in the past 40 years is something I'm not quite confident about.
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Personally, I'd sooner keep HM, and her heirs and successors, as Canada's Head of State, as Canada's track record of creating public institutions in the past 40 years is something I'm not quite confident about.
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