Bayonet question?

[bigsmoke636]

So I bought an 2000's Canadian forces bayonet, made in Germany from my local army surplus and I bought it for reserves/ftx's. (that I plan on joining in the near future) When I got and took it home it I saw it was dull and couldn't even cut paper also had a chip in the blade near the top and the point was rounded. So without researching. I went ahead and sharpen it (I know how to sharpen knives and i own an Oil stone). couple minutes/hours later I have it sharp. For some reason I decided to look up other ways to sharpen a bayonet all I got was "WHY NOT TO SHARPEN A BAYONET" and after reading some articles in the U.S military it is frowned upon and that the officers would take their knives and dull it but couldn't find anything on the Canadian military. What I want to know is in the Canadian armed forces do anyone sharpen their bayonets, Is it frowned upon and if I got to an ftx with it will my officer/CO take it and dull it down. If this is all like in the U.S military can you tell me why it is frowned upon? P.S sorry for the brightness in the pictures. P.P.S  Is it illegal to own Canadian forces gear? P.P.P.S Should I put knife/sharpening oil on the knife and in the sheath?

 

[medicineman]

I guess my first question would be: Why would you buy a bayonet for "joining the Reserves/going on exercises with them" when you'd likely be issued one when/if you get into your unit?

As for why they'd be dulled, the only reason I can think of is that it would cause blunt/tearing trauma as well as cutting type trauma going through/coming out of the body.

 

[Old Sweat]

As for why they'd be dulled, the only reason I can think of is that it would cause blunt/tearing trauma as well as cutting type trauma going through/coming out of the body.

Putting my sarcastic cap on, it could very well be to reduce the number of wounds to our own troops when doing drill. Without my cap on, I am not sure a sharp bayonet would be that much of an advantage if you wanted to pierce somebody or something. And that comes from someone with zip knowledge of human anatomy and wound ballistics.

 

[Jarnhamar]

There's a pretty good rumor that sharpening a bayonet is against the Geneva convention because it increases suffering therefore illegal.

They're a nice looking knife but you might want to bring the knife back or try to sell it.

-They aren't very sturdy knives and they break very easily. They break ALL the time when doing bayonet training.
-There is a chance that the unit you'll be working with is using the old C7 bayonets, if you are using this new one you may get asked where you got it. The chain of command may not like your answer and tell you to use the old one.
-You may get accused of stealing a bayonet (I'd keep your recite in your locker at work)
- You may get a new one issued in which case this one will sit around collecting dust (unless you loose yours and want to cover it up)

 

[bigsmoke636]

@ medicineman Why i got it was i heard they don't hand them out to reserves anymore and it was 50$ (i collect swords and knifes)
@ Old Sweat Why i sharpen my knifes is for survival use i.e cutting rope, fruit, tree bark ect.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

There is no rule about sharpened bayonets. Plenty of people were cut with the previous generation C7 bayonet that came very sharp as issued.

However, there is no reason to sharpen an issue one with more of an edge than issued. Carry a good pocket knife if you want something sharp. You'll not likely get the same bayonet next issue anyway and the RQ might not like you fucking with his equipment.

Bayonets are a utilitarian tool in the field. People dig, pry, cut, chop, pierce and prod with them. The least thing our modern ones have been used for is killing someone.

The rule people are thinking of is filing teeth into the spine, making them like a saw blade, to make them tear flesh. That dates back to WWI. IIRC it was said you would be executed on the spot if caught by the enemy with one modified as such. Could be true, I don't know. I'm not bothering to dig for fact.

 

[Nfld Sapper]

@ medicineman Why i got it was i heard they don't hand them out to reserves anymore and it was 50$ (i collect swords and knifes)

Bull$hit, they are issued I got them in my weapons box as does all other members in my regiment even then new recruits....

And besides you are now probably in possession of stolen Government property... :2c:

 

[medicineman]

@ medicineman Why i got it was i heard they don't hand them out to reserves anymore and it was 50$ (i collect swords and knifes)
@ Old Sweat Why i sharpen my knifes is for survival use i.e cutting rope, fruit, tree bark ect.

I get the collecting thing, however as OZ noted, you might get some funny looks/rude comments directed at you for carrying equipment not issued to you/anyone else in your unit, especially early on in training.

As for sharpening things for survival reasons, like OZ noted, it's not a good knife...if you want a knife, carry one - most people do, some more than one.  I have my non-issue spring blade knife as well as my non-issued Leatherman.  The bayonet I use for intended purposes - as a sticking thingy on the end of my rifle or a prodding thingy to get out of a minefield...when I'm issued it.

RG - not sure about the saw blade thing being illegal - the Kalashnikov bayonets have the saw teeth on them (they Yugoslav one I have certainly does), and most countries in the WP were signatories of the GC. 

I see someone beat me to a couple things.

:2c:

MM

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Like I said, I'm not sure of the sawtooth thing. Just some stories I recall.

 

[Eye In The Sky]

Why i got it was i heard they don't hand them out to reserves anymore and it was 50$ (i collect swords and knifes)

By that logic then, you bought something the Reserves don't "hand out" anymore so that you could have something that you can't use anymore?

Or were just thinking "hey!...I can be Uber-Cool Recruit Guy with my VERY OWN bayonet.  :bowing: Everyone will be in AWE of me and that bayonet!"

 

[Kat Stevens]

Any time I went to the field I would zip tie the bayonet to the frog so it wouldn't fly off on one of my 10,000 mountings and dismountings of vehicles.  To me in the field it was a less than useless encumbrance, and if I didn't have to carry it, I wouldn't have.

 

[Nfld Sapper]

Any time I went to the field I would zip tie the bayonet to the frog so it wouldn't fly off on one of my 10,000 mountings and dismountings of vehicles.  To me in the field it was a less than useless encumbrance, and if I didn't have to carry it, I wouldn't have.

Well Kat that was how most of us kept the 82 pattern webbing together too.... ;D

 

[Jarnhamar]

Any time I went to the field I would zip tie the bayonet to the frog so it wouldn't fly off on one of my 10,000 mountings and dismountings of vehicles.  To me in the field it was a less than useless encumbrance, and if I didn't have to carry it, I wouldn't have.

It could be a typo but on my current kitlist it has the bayonet "on order" otherwise it's stashed in the kitbag  ;D

 

[Nfld Sapper]

It could be a typo but on my current kitlist it has the bayonet "on order" otherwise it's stashed in the kitbag  ;D

Same here so mine stays in the weapons box.... ;D

 

[chrisf]

There's a pretty good rumor that sharpening a bayonet is against the Geneva convention because it increases suffering therefore illegal.

That Rumor is false. You can sharpen them

The new bayonet even come with a sharpening stone.

They were traditionally blunted for drill/training/storage, the last time this came up someone posted very old British instructions for chemically blunting bayonets.

 

[Jarnhamar]

That Rumor is false. You can sharpen them

I know  ;D

 

[chrisf]

So I bought an 2000's Canadian forces Bayonet, made in Germany from my local army surplus and i bought it for reserves/FTX's. (that i plan on joining in the near future)

I say good on you for being keen, a sharp knife is always important...

You should ask your recruiter if you can bring it for your swearing in ceremony, that maple leaf on the blade would look great in the hand shake picture!

 

[Kat Stevens]

Plus, you can use it to practice your mad CoD underwater knife fighting skillz.

 

[bigsmoke636]

@ a Sig Op  is that what the small silverish square on the sheath is? If you need an picture i will take one. and thank you for the complement

 

[Journeyman]

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