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C3 Howitzer Replacement

ATO is a specialist qualification, not an occupation, which contributes in part to the problem space.
 
TBFH, I fail to understand how the CAF cannot expend munitions before their ‘best before’ date.
We did. Back in the halcyon days of the early 1970s we were blowing tens of thousands of about to expire 105mm war stocks down range. Did a 400 rd WP fire mission with my three-gun troop of L5s once.

Good times.

🍻 :giggle:
 
LOL the Ammo & ATO trade being so small means any dud stands out. Happily have dealt with more good than bad!

.50 range in 2004 before going on Athena comes to mind....some that stuff was 1960s IIRC. At least our 60mm ammo was newer
.50 cal lasts forever.

I had to once tell the Navy that the “old“ ammo that they were firing for training (to save the new stuff for operations) , was actually really expensive C44 armour piercing ammo and not 4B1T…
 
.50 cal lasts forever.

I had to once tell the Navy that the “old“ ammo that they were firing for training (to save the new stuff for operations) , was actually really expensive C44 armour piercing ammo and not 4B1T…
Oh it fired just fine. I am think I had older ammo on my DP3A for the .50. I only mentioned it because it was an actual discussion @KevinB and I had on that particular range
 
Oh it fired just fine. I am think I had older ammo on my DP3A for the .50. I only mentioned it because it was an actual discussion @KevinB and I had on that particular range
TBH most of the ammo issues I saw was when we were expending all the old stuff in Cyprus. The CAF didn’t want to ship most of the old stuff home, or to FYR, as a lot of it was way past the point of being usable.
We did a lot of crap on the grenade range that would have been forbidden in Canada…
 
.50 cal lasts forever.

I had to once tell the Navy that the “old“ ammo that they were firing for training (to save the new stuff for operations) , was actually really expensive C44 armour piercing ammo and not 4B1T…
Fired literally tons of both. No barrels left in Ontario for years!
 
Is this a ready force or a reserve force job?


US Army deploys first hypersonic weapon capability​

Soldiers conducted a series of drills to practise with the LRHW system during Operation Thunderbolt Strike.

The weapon system was deployed by the 1st Multi-Domain Task Force (1st MDTF) long-range fires battalion, 5th Battalion and 3rd Field Artillery Regiment (5-3 LRFB).

It was fielded more than 3,100 miles away from the Joint Base Lewis-McChord in Washington to Cape Canaveral in Florida, as part of the exercise Thunderbolt Strike last month.

The US Army is working in close cooperation with the US Navy on the development of a hypersonic weapon system.

The LRHW system includes the Common Hypersonic Glide Body (C-HGB) and the Navy 34.5in booster.

400px-LRHWfirstThunderBoltStrike.jpg


From wiki the basic design parameters

Fits inside an Ohio SSBM missile tube
Operational range of over 2775 km.

So...

The Multi Domain Task Force
LRPF Battalion
Playing Defence in Churchill, MB
Deliver precision payloads at hypersonic speeds anywhere in Canada

LRHW Defence.jpg

Same systems moved by C17 to Alert. Offence. Or defending friends.

LRHW Offence.jpg

I see a defensive system.

Speed Mach 17 or 21,000 km/h

Strike time to 2775 km of approx 8 minutes.


How many AIM-120s could be packed in one missile as a GBAD solution?
How many NSMs as an SSM solution?
 
Is this a ready force or a reserve force job?








400px-LRHWfirstThunderBoltStrike.jpg


From wiki the basic design parameters

Fits inside an Ohio SSBM missile tube
Operational range of over 2775 km.

So...

The Multi Domain Task Force
LRPF Battalion
Playing Defence in Churchill, MB
Deliver precision payloads at hypersonic speeds anywhere in Canada

View attachment 77101

Same systems moved by C17 to Alert. Offence. Or defending friends.

View attachment 77102

I see a defensive system.

Speed Mach 17 or 21,000 km/h

Strike time to 2775 km of approx 8 minutes.


How many AIM-120s could be packed in one missile as a GBAD solution?
How many NSMs as an SSM solution?
I don't think it will actually do what you think it will do

 
I don't think it will actually do what you think it will do


Himars started off delivering bundles of grenades 20 km or so.

I'm seeing a bus capable of moving stuff at a high rate of knots. A little bit of imagination and effort.
 


Himars started off delivering bundles of grenades 20 km or so.
Uhm not really. The M270 MLRS predated HIMARS and early model rocket range was double that.

I'm seeing a bus capable of moving stuff at a high rate of knots. A little bit of imagination and effort.
The nature of the HSGV means it will be a significant engineering feat to launch some types of submunitions.
 
Uhm not really. The M270 MLRS predated HIMARS and early model rocket range was double that.


The nature of the HSGV means it will be a significant engineering feat to launch some types of submunitions.

Let's just say .... I have faith.

A bus is a bus.
 
One of my favorite never was weapon systems was a proposal put forward by Lockheed Martin in the early 80's AXE .
AXE was the the first stage of the Trident D5 with a warhead composed of several thousand CBUs. It was designed to basically erase airfield runways.
 
Let's just say .... I have faith.

A bus is a bus.
A bus doesn’t do Mach 5+.
Delivery a weapon (or weapons) on target at that speed is much different than delivery weapons to a point at that speed then having them locally acquire targets.
The HSGV will make constant course changes to reduce the likelihood of shoot down. While that’s trackable internally for submunitions to redirect to a ground target (which enough maneuver room), it’s not exactly easy for an AA system to try to redirect at that speed. Considering most don’t go that fast …

It’s like trying to walk out the door of a car doing 150mph. How’s that going to work for you.
 
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