C3 Howitzer Replacement

[FJAG]

Yeah, I saw they have let Egypt do it, so it would be a Domestic Canadian SPA, which would help support a Heavium Bde+

Maybe if we added in a few K21s we could graduate to heavyish?

 

[Colin Parkinson]

So this is what Canadian AD in the coming conflict will look like

https://twitter.com/x/status/1481388369678585856

 

[suffolkowner]

The L118 105 mm Light Gun Replacement - Think Defence

The 105 mm L118 Light Gun has been in service with the British Army since 1974 and has been used continually since.

www.thinkdefence.co.uk

the 105mm replacement is the 105mm?
lots of ideas in there

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Awesome find, thank you.

 

[FJAG]

The Role of Artillery in a War Between Russia and Ukraine

Artillery is likely to play a prominent role in any conflict between Ukraine and Russia. Russia’s predominance in self-propelled howitzers and ISTAR will prove decisive and may have strategic outcomes.

rusi.org

I really wish that our army would get its head out of its butt. We have a strong history of using artillery in war and learned our lessons well under fire. Even when we fought COIN battles we rediscovered artillery.

Despite all this properly equipping our army with a viable indirect fire capability we give priority to hundreds of armoured and thousand of other support vehicles. Not that I have anything against support vehicles but what are they actually supporting?

 

[daftandbarmy]

I really wish that our army would get its head out of its butt. We have a strong history of using artillery in war and learned our lessons well under fire. Even when we fought COIN battles we rediscovered artillery.

Despite all this properly equipping our army with a viable indirect fire capability we give priority to hundreds of armoured and thousand of other support vehicles. Not that I have anything against support vehicles but what are they actually supporting?

People who don't like to walk

 

[FJAG]

The Boxer RCH 155 seems to be learning new tricks.

https://min.news/en/military/3b45d181519dd866df5dcbe206c89042.html

 

[Kirkhill]

The Boxer RCH 155 seems to be learning new tricks.

But why does it have to be so fugly?

 

[Good2Golf]

But why does it have to be so fugly?

Combat effective often is, Kirkhill.

 

[GR66]

The Boxer RCH 155 seems to be learning new tricks.

The Boxer and LAV 6.0 chassis are very similar in size and weight, so might a GDLS version be possible? The LAV is taller though (3.16m vs 2.37m from what I can tell, so might that cause tipping issues?

Also, are the advantages of a common chassis with the LAV worth it compared to having commonality with our largest military partner? Would we be better off going with either the newest version of the M109 that the US Army ends up with for their ABCTs or the 8x8 wheeled SPG that they end up selecting for their Stryker Brigades rather than a bespoke fleet?

That being said, the Boxer RCH 155 sure does look cool and overall, the modularity of the Boxer system is sweet!

 

[MilEME09]

The Boxer and LAV 6.0 chassis are very similar in size and weight, so might a GDLS version be possible? The LAV is taller though (3.16m vs 2.37m from what I can tell, so might that cause tipping issues?

Also, are the advantages of a common chassis with the LAV worth it compared to having commonality with our largest military partner? Would we be better off going with either the newest version of the M109 that the US Army ends up with for their ABCTs or the 8x8 wheeled SPG that they end up selecting for their Stryker Brigades rather than a bespoke fleet?

That being said, the Boxer RCH 155 sure does look cool and overall, the modularity of the Boxer system is sweet!

There is s SPG LAV varient GDLS tested, it was a 105 though so a redesign would be needed to accommodate a 155. That said the feeling I am getting is that 3 div will become our geavy brigade, meaning they will likely want tracked SPGs.

 

[MilEME09]

Looks like we get to see the static vs mobile artillery debate roll out in Ukraine right now. I hope papers get written on the effectiveness of the two in a modern war. My guess is SPG are better suited as we are seeing more confirmed casualties from towed batteries.

 

[KevinB]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1504599571917205505

 

[FJAG]

Looks like we get to see the static vs mobile artillery debate roll out in Ukraine right now. I hope papers get written on the effectiveness of the two in a modern war. My guess is SPG are better suited as we are seeing more confirmed casualties from towed batteries.

I don't think it will be quite as distinct as we might think on the Russian side considering all the anti-armour weaponry, Bayraktars etc the Ukrainians are using and the significant mobility issues which limit dispersion and rapid redeployments to alternate positions. The Russians don't seem to be masters at disbursed artillery TTPs.

We might get a better understanding if and when we get Ukrainian loss figures as they are being subjected to a more conventional type of attack and seemed to have a fairly large mix of both towed and SP equipment. Mobility and TTPs would be a factor with them too though.

Edited to add this link just posted on another thread.

Attack On Europe: Documenting Russian Equipment Losses During The Russian Invasion Of Ukraine

www.oryxspioenkop.com

 

[Kirkhill]

Quick and Dirty

Assumption that Destroyed and Damage are reflective of Weaponry while Abandoned is reflective of Morale

1 Tank Killed/Damaged
2 Surviving Tank Crews in the Platoon Quit

Destroyed

Damaged

Abandoned

Captured

Total Losses

Destroyed

Damaged

Abandoned

Captured

T-64BV

3​

1​

2​

6​

6​

50%

17%

0%

33%

T-72A

2​

5​

7​

T-72AV

2​

1​

3​

T-72B

9​

3​

5​

21​

38​

T-72B-89

2​

2​

3​

7​

T-72B3

6​

1​

5​

6​

18​

T-72B3-16

24​

5​

29​

58​

Total T-72

45​

4​

17​

65​

131​

131​

34%

3%

13%

50%

T-80V

4​

2​

5​

11​

T-80U

5​

15​

23​

43​

T-80UK

1​

1​

T-80BVM

6​

1​

10​

17​

Total T-80

15​

0​

19​

38​

72​

72​

21%

0%

26%

53%

T-90A

6​

4​

6​

16​

16​

38%

0%

25%

38%

Unknown

13​

2​

2​

17​

17​

76%

12%

12%

0%

82​

7​

42​

111​

242​

242​

34%

3%

17%

46%

Weapons

Morale

 

[Colin Parkinson]

Interesting M109 of steroids? M1299 - Wikipedia

https://twitter.com/x/status/1532932926182043648

 

[FJAG]

While it's always fun to look at pictures of bolt-on armour, what really interests me is what's going on in the turret and the powerpack under the hood.

23 rounds at up to ten rounds per minute leads to the need to bomb up frequently. Quite interested in how that is all managed. It's always been a weak point of modern artillery system that's supposed to give 24/7 uptime.

It strikes me, unless there is a remote management function, that a part of the crew is still in the turret. I think that's a part of the M109 heritage that should have been left behind for a full automated system. From other pictures and diagrams I've seen, the forward hull still only has room for the driver and the powerpack. Personally I'd prefer the turret and rear hull given over completely to the autoloader and ammo.

 

[Kirkhill]

Polish Artillery Programs

500 HIMARS Launchers

(Could be interesting it the Saab-NAMMO-Boeing Ground Launched Small Diameter Bomb with all aspect 150km range were referenced here as: “we also want to obtain the technology of a selected missile” as part of the deal - together with a high degree of polonization. The Scandinavian countries already have tight manufacturing relations with Poland in the commercial sector).

2+6 Patriot LTAMDS Pac 3 MRAD Batteries
2+21 CAMM-ER SHORAD Batteries and 3 sets for 3 new Type 31 frigates being bought by the Poles
77 individual indigenous Poprad VSHORAD launchers
12 NASAMS-3 based launchers on indigenous trucks equipped with a total of 48 NSM missiles from Kongsberg for Coastal Defence

(NSMs also to be used on the Polish Type 31s)

In June 2013 Poland completed the Coastal Missile Division equipped with 12 NSMs and 23 vehicles on Jelcz chassis (including 6 launchers, 2 TRS-15C radars, 6 fire control vehicles, and 3 command vehicles).[11] Ultimately, the Coastal Missile Division will be equipped with 12 launchers carrying 4 missiles each for a total of 48 missiles. In December 2014 Poland ordered a second batch of launchers and missiles to equip a Naval Strike Missile battalion.[12]

Poland moves to buy HIMARS, capping major May modernization push - Breaking Defense

Poland will seek as many as 500 HIMARS launchers, as well as moving forward with its Patriot program, according to the Ministry of Defense.

breakingdefense.com

Poland signs $4.75 billion deal for U.S. Patriot missile system facing Russia

Poland signed the largest arms procurement deal in its history on Wednesday, agreeing with the United States to buy Raytheon Co's <RTN.N> Patriot missile defense system for $4.75 billion in a major step to modernize its forces against a bolder Russia.

www.reuters.com

Poland requests six additional Patriot batteries from the United States

Poland wants a package of "omnidirectional radars, missile launchers, and a stock of missiles,” Defense Minister Mariusz Błaszczak said.

www.defensenews.com

Poland buys CAMM anti-aircraft missile systems under the Narew program

On April 25, 2022, the Polish consortium PGZ-Narew signed a contract with the British branch of the European missile concern MBDA (MBDA UK) in the amount of 1.5 billion zlotys (320 million euros, the cost is not officially reported) for the purchase of the first two sets of ground-based...

vpk.name

Poland accelerates new SHORAD effort in wake of Ukraine; are regional customers possible? - Breaking Defense

"We can see how important the air and anti-aircraft defense capability is" in Ukraine, said Poland's defense minister. "Hence, we have significantly accelerated the deliveries of the Narew system to equip the Polish Army.”

breakingdefense.com

NSM Coastal Defence contract valued at NOK 1,3 Billions with Poland - KONGSBERG

www.kongsberg.com

Poland beefs up its navy with deal to buy British Type 31 frigates

Boost for the UK defence industry as Babcock triumphs over rival German bid

www.telegraph.co.uk

 

[OldSolduer]

While it's always fun to look at pictures of bolt-on armour, what really interests me is what's going on in the turret and the powerpack under the hood.

IMO - not that it counts - is that once you purchase a vehicle and start and bolting shit on it then you start taxing the power train, which then burns out........I am sure you get the point.

 

[Kirkhill]

Thinking more about those 500 HIMARS launchers and the Polish success with adapting the NASAMS and NSMs system into a home grown Coastal Defence system.

500 launchers. 3000 missiles in 6 packs in a single volley. Assuming multiple volleys. And thinking about the Eastern artillery practice of swamping the area.

I don't think the 150 km GLSDB is likely to be the primary weapon of choice. It may very well figure in the future arsenal if they can't get ahold of the new PrSM missiles with their >499 km ranges.

Even the 80 km M31A is likely to be a specialty round.

Unless ... they can polonize it to mass produce it at Eastern European prices. Perhaps with Norwegian, Swedish, Turkish, Israeli help? Perhaps even Korean, Japanese and Brit help?