Colin Parkinson
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You need saluting guns for Vancouver and any other large port city.
C3 Howitzer Replacement
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Ya I think we need to take a deep look at what is valuable work and what is busy work. And I think we need to truly put the institution first and not be scared to move billets to places they are more needed. This probably also means behing honest telling a lot people thanks, but your career stops here.
A small defence organization like the CAF should not be buying any weapon, platform or equipment that isnt in mass use already by an ally. We don't have the numbers our sway to compel industry or influence global supply chains. Hence why I will preach until the second coming that we should be buying American, almost always.
But aren't there already more ARES combat arms units than Reg Force ? Or did you mean the staffing ?
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I'm sorry (not).
Why would I like to see local Caesars (or some such)?
Because the Caesars plus HVPs plus MRRs present as a viable Air Defence / CUAS / CRAM asset with an 80 km reach to deal with the unexpected.
And it provides a viable conventional artillery solution for launching short range HE in volume, long range Volcano type rounds and any new ramjet and uas type developments.
You could even practice your anti-tank drills.
Why would I like to see local Caesars (or some such)?
Because the Caesars plus HVPs plus MRRs present as a viable Air Defence / CUAS / CRAM asset with an 80 km reach to deal with the unexpected.
And it provides a viable conventional artillery solution for launching short range HE in volume, long range Volcano type rounds and any new ramjet and uas type developments.
You could even practice your anti-tank drills.
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I'm no arty expert here, but I'm pretty sure you can't use a conventional howitzer strapped to a flatbed as an anti aircraft cannon.
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Perhaps that, and what I imagine is a similar great, gaping hole in the layers of depot/service/maintenance facilities and personnel who once existed, should be looked at with the same priority as revitalizing the artillery world? Seems like a critical piece.
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I think people try to find fault in properly equipping Reserve force.
For example. 5th BC Field Regiment.
Move them back down to a Bty. Give them 6 SP artillery guns. Store them at CFB Esquimalt. When they go to Yakima/Fort Lewis or Wainwright low bed them.
Buy 11 Svc Battalion trucks and low beds to do so.
Do the same for 15Fd and 12 svc.
When the trucks and trailers are not moving guns they can move CE equipment around or broken trucks up and down the island and or mainland.
For the other units in the Praires and East,they do similar and have the Svc Battalions transport the equipment.
Do Similar for the Infantry and Armoured Units.
Buy them tanks and armored fighting vehicles. Move them to and from training areas using truck and low beds.
Security wise saying Armories are not secure. Make them secure or build secure facilities.
It is brain dead simple. If a unit can not staff their equipment then it goes back to a central storage for short/medium/long term storage.
this could increase our equipment situation. Along with recruiting and retaining staff.
For example. 5th BC Field Regiment.
Move them back down to a Bty. Give them 6 SP artillery guns. Store them at CFB Esquimalt. When they go to Yakima/Fort Lewis or Wainwright low bed them.
Buy 11 Svc Battalion trucks and low beds to do so.
Do the same for 15Fd and 12 svc.
When the trucks and trailers are not moving guns they can move CE equipment around or broken trucks up and down the island and or mainland.
For the other units in the Praires and East,they do similar and have the Svc Battalions transport the equipment.
Do Similar for the Infantry and Armoured Units.
Buy them tanks and armored fighting vehicles. Move them to and from training areas using truck and low beds.
Security wise saying Armories are not secure. Make them secure or build secure facilities.
It is brain dead simple. If a unit can not staff their equipment then it goes back to a central storage for short/medium/long term storage.
this could increase our equipment situation. Along with recruiting and retaining staff.
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Me no arty expert either but....
The US Army, Navy and Air Force are all betting big on the ability of the HVP to be able to intercept a variety of targets, including moving aerial ones, after being launched from conventional artillery.
The Hyper Velocity Projectile was developed in association with an experimental Electromagnetic Rail Gun under a US Navy Project.
The project became a joint Army - Navy - Air Forcee project which saw the round launched by a USN 5" gun as well as a US Army 155 mm gun.
The guns were apparently conventional guns. The magic was in the rounds themselves and the accompanying but separate radar.
Army approaches industry for prototype artillery cannon for future Hypervelocity Gun Weapon System (HGWS)
MDAC will be air-, rail-, and sea-transportable per MIL-STD-1366; will move rapidly for survivability; and will have automated high rates of fire.
www.militaryaerospace.com
Watch the Air Force use a hypersonic bullet to blast a drone out of the sky
The Defense Department has released footage of a recent test of the U.S. military's vaunted hypervelocity projectile in action
taskandpurpose.com
Army to test hypervelocity projectile for 155mm cannon artillery
The Army will spend roughly three years studying the physics of shooting the hypervelocity projectile from 155mm cannons.
www.defensenews.com
The Archer seems to be the preferred launch system. The published maximum rate of fire for the Archer with its autoloader is 12 rounds in 3 mins.
The Caeasar rate of fire is 6 rounds per minute with semi-automatic assist
The M109A7 max rate of fire is 4 rounds per minute manual loading
The M777 max rate of fire is 4 rounds per minute for 2 minutes
Maybe even the M777 with the HVP would be a suitable Reserve solution seeing as how the Ukrainians are asking for more M777s and BAE is opening new production lines.
BAE Systems receives $50 million to restart M777 production | Shephard
The M777 155mm lightweight howitzer has seen service across five continents and has been heavily used in Ukraine where weapons were donated by Australia, Canada and the US.
www.shephardmedia.com
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Oh well, after reading the above, the conclusion I reach is: If there're no will, then there is no way.
Unfortunately.
Unfortunately.
Colin Parkinson
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When the last operational C3 is declared a saluting gun, the CAF will still be debating what to do about the ARES Artillery with no solution in sight.
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"Will" is a many layered thing. Within the artillery there is certainly a will but not everyone is reading off the same songbook as to the desired solution. Within the army there is a will too, but it's at a lower level and runs in competition with funding as against other needs the army has. Within the CAF as whole, the will has almost completely disappeared amongst the many competing interests. And at the government level its not so much a question of will but of not really knowing that there is a problem worthy of their attention.
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PS the M777 has a 52 caliber barrel
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M777A2 LW155
M777A2 LW155 Lightweight 155mm towed howitzer United States technical data fact sheet pictures video
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quadrapiper
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Seems like the Army might suffer in comparison to the other two services due to the sheer number of independently sourced, physically distinct systems required to deliver direct and indirect fires, air defence, anti-armour, logistics, engineering, medical, signals, and so on and so on across the Light through Heavy spectrum and in range bands from "stabbing someone" to "HIMARS.""Will" is a many layered thing. Within the artillery there is certainly a will but not everyone is reading off the same songbook as to the desired solution. Within the army there is a will too, but it's at a lower level and runs in competition with funding as against other needs the army has. Within the CAF as whole, the will has almost completely disappeared amongst the many competing interests. And at the government level its not so much a question of will but of not really knowing that there is a problem worthy of their attention.
To oversimplify, the Navy has a relatively few classes of ship: heavies, Arctic patrol, sea-Jeeps, and floating warehouses/gas stations, plus the CFAV fleet. The Air Force has fighters, a few kinds of transport, flying gas stations, MPA, and yellow, green, and grey helicopters that do SAR, land, and sea stuff. The Army... how many different kinds of truck? I thought the tracked things with guns were tanks: what do you mean howitzer? And you need... oh, another kind of truck... to move those around? And you need radios for all these things... how much can a radio cost? Also what do you mean someone just "broke a tank?"
FJAG
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The M777 is currently an L39 barrel for all variants.PS the M777 has a 52 caliber barrel
M777A2 LW155
M777A2 LW155 Lightweight 155mm towed howitzer United States technical data fact sheet pictures video
The BAE article merely states that it "offers" to produce a "locally manufactured" L52 for the Indian army.
Colin Parkinson
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As we are finding out in Ukraine, you only have so much tube life and you have a lot of ground targets that need servicing. If you are using them to service aerial targets, they are not able to service ground targets. I prefer a dedicated gun system for AD, even if it share some common components/ammunition.Me no arty expert either but....
The US Army, Navy and Air Force are all betting big on the ability of the HVP to be able to intercept a variety of targets, including moving aerial ones, after being launched from conventional artillery.
The Hyper Velocity Projectile was developed in association with an experimental Electromagnetic Rail Gun under a US Navy Project.
The project became a joint Army - Navy - Air Forcee project which saw the round launched by a USN 5" gun as well as a US Army 155 mm gun.
The guns were apparently conventional guns. The magic was in the rounds themselves and the accompanying but separate radar.
Army approaches industry for prototype artillery cannon for future Hypervelocity Gun Weapon System (HGWS)
MDAC will be air-, rail-, and sea-transportable per MIL-STD-1366; will move rapidly for survivability; and will have automated high rates of fire.Watch the Air Force use a hypersonic bullet to blast a drone out of the sky
The Defense Department has released footage of a recent test of the U.S. military's vaunted hypervelocity projectile in actionArmy to test hypervelocity projectile for 155mm cannon artillery
The Army will spend roughly three years studying the physics of shooting the hypervelocity projectile from 155mm cannons.
The Archer seems to be the preferred launch system. The published maximum rate of fire for the Archer with its autoloader is 12 rounds in 3 mins.
The Caeasar rate of fire is 6 rounds per minute with semi-automatic assist
The M109A7 max rate of fire is 4 rounds per minute manual loading
The M777 max rate of fire is 4 rounds per minute for 2 minutes
Maybe even the M777 with the HVP would be a suitable Reserve solution seeing as how the Ukrainians are asking for more M777s and BAE is opening new production lines.
BAE Systems receives $50 million to restart M777 production | Shephard
The M777 155mm lightweight howitzer has seen service across five continents and has been heavily used in Ukraine where weapons were donated by Australia, Canada and the US.www.shephardmedia.com
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Buy more guns then. Just buy more of the same if they are effective in both roles.
88mm.
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Buy a dedicated AD platform for that role.
Having a slew of Radar systems etc to support a non ideal role for a Howitzer isn’t an economy of effort.
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It is if the gun works in both roles.
The Jerries get beaten up because of the logistical noghtmare resulting from their myriad of constantly changing tanks.
The 88 was used by AD, Anti-Tank, Field Arty, Coastal, and Home regiments as well as the Navy (subs and E-boats) not to mention tanks themselves.
