Class B entitled to gym membership?
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George Wallace
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Have you inquired at your OR?
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IMO that's BS and a waste of money, and I started in the Reserves.
It's one thing for a super base to have gym that everyone can go to, but if you don't live close to that, then welcome to the great outdoors for running and push ups.
It's one thing for a super base to have gym that everyone can go to, but if you don't live close to that, then welcome to the great outdoors for running and push ups.
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In the National Capital Region all CF members (including Class A, B and C Reservists) are entitled to use CF gyms and all of the YMCA facilites in Ottawa except one. This is free. They can use the Downtown YMCA by paying a reduced drop-in fee of $6.50 per visit.
Good Life Fitness also offers a reduced rate membership for CF members and spouses which allows access to almost every Good Life gym in Canada. PM me for details.
For your area, there is no such arrangement in place any longer with any of the local gyms. It became too costly once the owners figured out just how much money they could potentially charge off a DND membership.
Good Life Fitness also offers a reduced rate membership for CF members and spouses which allows access to almost every Good Life gym in Canada. PM me for details.
For your area, there is no such arrangement in place any longer with any of the local gyms. It became too costly once the owners figured out just how much money they could potentially charge off a DND membership.
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Apollo Diomedes said:Yea running on slush filled streets in the middle of winter in and around cars because the sidewalks aren't always cleared off is great
When you conduct winter warfare do you only do a section attack once the snow removal equipment has blazed a trail for you, or do you snap on your raquettes and do what you can?
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I'm curious. May retired military use CF physical training base facilities? (not that Sherbrooke has any such base.)
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sandyson said:
Unless you are the dependant of a serving member then, no. It's a liability issue as you are wholly and totally a civvy now.. Local civvy gyms would (rightfully) cry foul as the CF could/would be seen as taking business away from them.
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Haggis, Ack.
You're determined to to make me pay $500 for a gym membership aren't you Petamocto
Winter Warefare training, is this the same winter warfare I hear about run up in pet which is a day trip to the field to put up a tent and light a stove then home for supper?
Since we're discussing opinions now, I see a difference between section attacks through the snow wearing FFO and cold weather gear (including winter boots) during winter warfare training and someone running PT in the morning.
If you're hard enough to run 10+ KMs through snow banks, out into the street around cars, across ice trying not to injure yourself and wading through puddles of freezing cold slush at 7am wearing running shoes and a kitshop bought jump suit thats great.
Besides the fact that I'm not that tough, it doesn't seem like a good work out to me. Hard to get your heart rate up between the hypothermia and running at 2 KPH trying to avoid everything. Then again almost getting hit by a car WOULD probably get your heart rate up, maybe you're on to something.
I would probably give my soldiers shit for putting themselves at risk like that, injuries are a part of the job but injuries that can be easily avoided are wasteful if you ask me.
You mentioned a waste of money, if you think money is a major issue why not suggest that reg force (and reserve) members pay for their own gym memberships on base?
If EVERYONE paid for a gym membership think about how much money the CF/PSP would get. PLUS you wouldn't have units filling up the base gym during PT in the winter months. Tell them if you don't like it theres push ups and lots of snowplowed streets on base.
Bonus: Cars give pedistrians the right of way on bases, unlike cities.
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You're determined to to make me pay $500 for a gym membership aren't you Petamocto
Winter Warefare training, is this the same winter warfare I hear about run up in pet which is a day trip to the field to put up a tent and light a stove then home for supper?
Since we're discussing opinions now, I see a difference between section attacks through the snow wearing FFO and cold weather gear (including winter boots) during winter warfare training and someone running PT in the morning.
If you're hard enough to run 10+ KMs through snow banks, out into the street around cars, across ice trying not to injure yourself and wading through puddles of freezing cold slush at 7am wearing running shoes and a kitshop bought jump suit thats great.
Besides the fact that I'm not that tough, it doesn't seem like a good work out to me. Hard to get your heart rate up between the hypothermia and running at 2 KPH trying to avoid everything. Then again almost getting hit by a car WOULD probably get your heart rate up, maybe you're on to something.
I would probably give my soldiers shit for putting themselves at risk like that, injuries are a part of the job but injuries that can be easily avoided are wasteful if you ask me.
You mentioned a waste of money, if you think money is a major issue why not suggest that reg force (and reserve) members pay for their own gym memberships on base?
If EVERYONE paid for a gym membership think about how much money the CF/PSP would get. PLUS you wouldn't have units filling up the base gym during PT in the winter months. Tell them if you don't like it theres push ups and lots of snowplowed streets on base.
Bonus: Cars give pedistrians the right of way on bases, unlike cities.
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Petamocto said:
You're at sea, in wartime. Your frigate has been fending off missiles all morning and the CIWS is empty. The NW Techs are frantically making preparations to reload but nobody can find the fall arrest gear. MS Bloggins climbs onto the top of the hangar and does it anyway, hoping that the raging sea doesn't knock him off to an almost certain death in the cold dark waves. Miraculously, he makes it back safely. Does that mean that we abandon the use of fall arrest gear for pers working on the CIWS when alongside in Halifax on a calm, sunny, peacetime day? Surely not.
In other words I'm sure we can all understand that sometimes operations require one to do things in that are more dangerous than we would do if we had a choice. If you're training for winter warfare (to occur in a slushy traffic-filled place) then train that way. If you're just trying to keep fit then there's no sense in doing it with an unnecessary hazard just for the sake of doing it.
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Apollo Diomedes said:
I don't know where you're located, but my experience has been that the base gym is available free of charge. The base gym should not be charging full time folks for membership. If there's no gym, then there should be a local solution.
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Apollo Diomedes said:
Your Orderly Room of Sp Unit is who you need to speak to.
As the Det Comd in PEI, I purchased annual gym mbrships for all B Class personnel who then signed for their access cards to the civilian gym in Charlottetown (no CF gym avail) in the Det Orderly room. Our RegF mbrs also had paid mbrships (by me as well) to that civilian facility due to lack of CF facility avail.
The fin coding used is that of PSP of the supporting Unit, ergo ... you need to speak with the sp Unit.
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In the Hamilton Area Class B over 180 days are entitled to something like $50/month for Gym memberships...
the RegF FTUC here in Hamilton are also entitled to claim as well... since the Fitness facilities here are terrible. (read: practically non-existant...)
Seems fair to me...
the RegF FTUC here in Hamilton are also entitled to claim as well... since the Fitness facilities here are terrible. (read: practically non-existant...)
Seems fair to me...
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Apollo and N McKay,
I'm not reserve bashing, I am just giving my opinion of what I think is a good investment and what isn't.
There are plenty of Reservists who have sacrificed more than any of us have, so it's not about Reg > Res, but just that paying for every reservist to have a gym membership seems like something that we could do if we were overflowing with money but not at a time when budgets are being reduced and according to Gen Tremblay we are already overspending on everything.
Where is the accountability for that gym membership money? What is the value to the CF for that $500/yr per reservist? Are they actually going every day? Are their results improving?
The reason I ask is that the only fitness evaluations you are mandated to be able to do in the Army is a BFT and if you're feeling adventurous the Army Fitness Challenge. One is a rucksack with other events not requiring a gym, and the other is a run with other events not requiring a gym.
If the Army had fitness tests that required a Cooper Test or something that involved gym-specific equipment then I could understand it I suppose. To me it just strikes me as "I'm-entitled-to-it" disease.
I'm not reserve bashing, I am just giving my opinion of what I think is a good investment and what isn't.
There are plenty of Reservists who have sacrificed more than any of us have, so it's not about Reg > Res, but just that paying for every reservist to have a gym membership seems like something that we could do if we were overflowing with money but not at a time when budgets are being reduced and according to Gen Tremblay we are already overspending on everything.
Where is the accountability for that gym membership money? What is the value to the CF for that $500/yr per reservist? Are they actually going every day? Are their results improving?
The reason I ask is that the only fitness evaluations you are mandated to be able to do in the Army is a BFT and if you're feeling adventurous the Army Fitness Challenge. One is a rucksack with other events not requiring a gym, and the other is a run with other events not requiring a gym.
If the Army had fitness tests that required a Cooper Test or something that involved gym-specific equipment then I could understand it I suppose. To me it just strikes me as "I'm-entitled-to-it" disease.
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Petamocto: Then, by that logic, we'll close all base gyms, since they aren't needed.
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Petamocto said:
On or near a base, training for the BFT is easy and socially acceptable. There are many, many instances of Reservists on training marches being detained by police (sometimes at gunpoint) after a citizen has made a 9-1-1 call about "guys in army kit running down the roads". It's more common in larger urban areas and happens more frequently that most are aware. Informing the police is a good step to mitigate the possibility of this happening but many police forces face the same challenges with passage of information as we do.[/quote]
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However, we don't. We have - in the Army - the LFCPFS or the CF EXPRES test. The Army Fitness Manual gives workout programs for weights and body weight exercises. However, once you've achived the standard and maxed out on body weigh exercises, using weights (free or machine) is a logical and progressive next step. In that many Reserve units (of all colours) don't have gym access or gym equipment, it's incumbent on the CF to provide at least partial assistance, in the form of equipment or funding, for members to maintain the level of fitness required. There are many Reg F members posted to Reserve units who face the same challenge. The solution to this challenge must be appplicable to all military members of the Defence Team.
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