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I ask for no hostility or judgement  with posts please.

I don't even know who I am anymore.
I'm 10 months into my career, and i'm more miserable by the day. I feel within days I go from being me, to a bipolar like switch bringing out choices i would never of made before.  I can't even think straight...

Over the last 8 months i've done nothing but pushed my family and loved ones away, i'd go as far as to say i'm depressed in this job. I do not want to bring it up to anyone, not even my family so i'm hoping someone here can offer some help


How do I get out ASAP, any tips would go a long way.
The only thing I can venture to guess is by breaking my contract a dishonorable discharge is the only option which can affect future careers, but my mental health is worth the risk.

Please help,

HMP ( help me please )
 
hmp said:
I'm 10 months into my career,

Your profile/post does not say how far along you are into your military training.

hmp said:
How do I get out ASAP,

There are a lot of VR discussions on here, such as,

Dishonourable Discharge?
https://army.ca/forums/threads/35146.25.html
2 pages.

Michael O'Leary said:
The Canadian Forces doesn't use the term "dishonourable discharge", that is an Americanism that has become common-place through media usage.

Pusser said:
If you are found "unsuitable for further service" and "released" as a result (e.g. repeated failure to meet a certain standard), it will generally be with honour.  Any normal release for reasons other than misconduct should not affect future employability in the Public Service (however, being honourably released as an administrative burden for being a raging alcoholic doesn't look good on a resumé), but may affect your ability to re-enrole in the CF at a later date.

See also,

Early vr 
https://army.ca/forums/threads/116605.0

D3 said:
Compassionate situations are normally emergency situation that are outside of the member's control and cannot be resolved quickly.  The mbr will be asked to provide proof when claiming compassionate circumstance.  There is a variety of valid compassionate situations out there.  For example: Having a spouse with a significant health issue where specialist care is only available at location X, may be considered a valid compassionate issue.  A mbr's parent gets diagnosed with an incapacitating, long term medical issue, and the mbr is the only available care giver may be considered a compassionate issue.

The military is not for me is not a valid compassionate issues.

Pusser said:
You may wish to take note of this recent CANFORGEN:

CANFORGEN 168/14 CMP 075/14 301730Z SEP 14
RELEASE FROM THE CAF
UNCLASSIFIED


REFS: A. QR AND O CHAPTER 15 - RELEASE
B. CFAO 15-2
C. CDS DELEGATED RELEASE AUTHORITIES TABLE DATED 26 APR 04
D. DAOD 5049-1



THERE HAVE BEEN NUMEROUS RECENT CASES OF CAF PERSONNEL INCURRING FINANCIAL COSTS (SUCH AS SELLING HOMES OR MOVING FAMILIES), AGREEING TO EMPLOYMENT OFFERS FROM EXTERNAL AGENCIES, OR COMMITTING TO OTHER SUCH OBLIGATIONS PRIOR TO THE APPROVAL OF THEIR RELEASE FROM THE CAF. THIS PRACTICE IS PARTICULARLY TROUBLESOME IN THESE SPECIFIC CASES:


PERSONNEL WHO HAVE LESS THAN THREE YEARS OF SERVICE,


PERSONNEL WHO ARE ASKING FOR A WAIVER OF THE USUAL SIX MONTH NOTICE WHERE THIS IS APPLICABLE, AND


PERSONNEL WHO HAVE INCURRED OBLIGATORY SERVICE COMMITMENTS


THIS CANFORGEN PROVIDES A GENERAL RECAP OF THE EXISTING POLICIES AS DELINEATED IN THE REFS WHILE PROVIDING GUIDANCE TO PERSONNEL CONSIDERING RELEASE FROM THE CAF IN ANY OF THE ABOVE THREE CIRCUMSTANCES


FOR PERSONNEL WHO HAVE LESS THAN THREE YEARS OF SERVICE BUT WHO HAVE COMPLETED RECRUIT TRAINING, PARTICULAR ATTENTION SHOULD BE PAID TO PARA 39 OF CFAO 15-2 WHICH STATES QUOTE A MEMBER . . . WHO . . . REQUESTS VOLUNTARY RELEASE WILL NOT NORMALLY HAVE THAT REQUEST APPROVED . . . FOR A PERIOD OF THREE YEARS COMMENCING FROM THE DATE OF ENROLMENT UNLESS COMPASSIONATE CIRCUMSTANCES EXIST UNQUOTE. THUS, UPON RECEIPT OF ANY REQUEST FOR RELEASE FROM A MEMBER WITH LESS THAN THREE YEARS SERVICE, THE AUTHORITY SHOULD CONSIDER PRIMARILY WHETHER OR NOT A COMPASSIONATE SITUATION EXISTS. ANY MEMBER UNDER THIS SITUATION WHO REQUESTS AN EARLY RELEASE WITHOUT A COMPASSIONATE CIRCUMSTANCE SHOULD NOT EXPECT THEIR REQUEST WILL BE APPROVED


FOR PERSONNEL WHO ARE ASKING FOR A WAIVER OF THE USUAL SIX MONTH NOTICE (AND WHO DO NOT QUALIFY FOR THE THIRTY DAY NOTICE AS DELINEATED IN PARA 40 OF REF B), THE AUTHORITY TO RELEASE WITH LESS THAN SIX MONTHS' NOTICE RESIDES WITH D MIL C IAW REF C. IN THIS REGARD, D MIL C PAYS PARTICULAR ATTENTION TO THE STATE OF THE OCCUPATION IAW THE MOST CURRENT PREFERRED MANNING LIST FIGURES. IN CASES WHERE THE OCCUPATION IS CONSIDERED HEALTHY (GREEN), THESE WAIVERS WILL GENERALLY BE ENTERTAINED BY D MIL C IF THE MEMBERS CHAIN OF COMMAND (AS THE RELEASE AUTHORITY) SUPPORTS. HOWEVER, WHEN AN OCCUPATION IS CONSIDERED UNDER CAUTION (AMBER) OR DISTRESSED (RED), ONLY IN EXCEPTIONAL CIRCUMSTANCES AND WHERE MILITARY AND PERSONAL REQUIREMENTS ARE COMPATIBLE, WILL D MIL C ALLOW A WAIVER OF THE SIX-MONTH NOTICE. NOTE THAT APPROVALS FROM D MIL C WITH REGARDS TO THE RELEASE WAIVER WILL REMIND THE UNIT THAT THE FINAL AUTHORITY TO RELEASE FOR PTE TO CWO RESIDES WITH THE BCOMD OR CO


FOR PERSONNEL WHO HAVE INCURRED OBLIGATORY SERVICE COMMITMENTS DUE TO SUBSIDIZED EDUCATION OR A RECRUITING ALLOWANCE, THEIR RIGHT TO VOLUNTARY RELEASE IS RESTRICTED. THE FACT THAT THE MEMBER IS WILLING TO REIMBURSE THE CROWN DOES NOT AUTOMATICALLY ENSURE THAT THE RELEASE WILL BE AUTHORIZED BY DGMC, EVEN IF THE MEMBERS CHAIN OF COMMAND IS SUPPORTIVE. IN FACT, MEMBERS SERVING PERIODS OF OBLIGATORY SERVICE WILL NOT NORMALLY BE RELEASED ON VOLUNTARY REQUEST. REF D FURTHER STATES THAT VOLUNTARY RELEASE QUOTE MAY BE APPROVED BY DGMC WHEN THERE ARE SPECIAL AND UNIQUE CIRCUMSTANCES AND IF THE EXIGENCIES OF THE SERVICE PERMIT UNQUOTE. THE CIRCUMSTANCES ARE FURTHER DEFINED TO BE COMPELLING IN NATURE AND UNIQUE TO THE MEMBER. IN MOST INSTANCES, ONE OR THE OTHER OF THESE CIRCUMSTANCES IS NOT IN EVIDENCE AND THERE IS NO IMPETUS FOR DGMC TO APPROVE A VOLUNTARY RELEASE


IT IS INCUMBENT UPON LEADERS AND ADMINISTRATIVE SUPPORT STAFF AT ALL LEVELS OF THE CAF TO ENSURE THAT THOSE PERSONNEL WHO ARE CONSIDERING A VOLUNTARY RELEASE THAT REQUIRES HIGHER LEVEL APPROVAL DO NOT MAKE ANY FINANCIAL OR OTHER COMMITMENTS PRIOR TO ENSURING THAT THEIR RELEASE IS APPROVED. WITHOUT THIS FIRM DIRECTION, THERE IS A POTENTIAL FOR A MEMBER TO BE PLACED UNDER A HARDSHIP CONDITION THAT COULD HAVE BEEN AVOIDED. SIMILARLY, ALL OF THE ABOVE REQUESTS MUST BE MADE WITH AS MUCH NOTICE AS POSSIBLE AND WITH THE NECESSARY SUBSTANTIATION (DESCRIBED ABOVE) TO RENDER A DECISION THAT IS FAIR AND CONSISTENT. REQUESTS OF THIS NATURE ARE TREATED AS A HIGH PRIORITY BY ALL D MIL C STAFF, WITH DELAYS STEMMING ONLY FROM THE NEED TO ENGAGE PERSONNEL OR THE CHAIN OF COMMAND FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION

Voluntary Release 
http://milnet.ca/forums/threads/123077/post-1436032/topicseen.html#new

Andraste said:
Good afternoon,

IAW with CFAO 15-2 (Release Regular Force) (37)

BASIC MILITARY OCCUPATION TRAINING

A member who enrolled on or after 1 Jan 82 and who, within the first three years of service requests voluntary release while undergoing basic military occupation training, will not receive approval except when compassionate circumstances exist.


However a CANFORGEN 022/03 Release in the first three years specified that:

REF: CFAO 15-2  ANNEX A PARA 37

THE PURPOSE OF REF WAS TO ENSURE A RETURN OF THE COST OF BASIC RECRUIT TRG. HOWEVER, IN THE CONTEXT OF INCREASED RECRUIT TRG AS WE ARE EXPERIENCING NOW, IT IS RECOGNIZED THAT HOLDING LARGE NUMBERS OF DEMOTIVATED / DISSATISFIED PERSONNEL ON BTL WOULD BE COUNTERPRODUCTIVE TO THE INCREASED RECRUITING DRIVE AND IS ADMINISTRATIVELY TAXING TO THE CF

EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY REF IS CHANGED TO: A MEMBER WHO WITHIN THE FIRST THREE YEARS OF SERVICE REQUESTS VOLUNTARY RELEASE WHILE UNDERGOING BASIC MILITARY OCCUPATION TRAINING WILL NOT RECEIVE APPROVAL UNLESS MILITARY AND PERSONAL REQUIREMENTS ARE COMPATIBLE. IN SUCH CASES THE APPROVING AUTHORITY AT NDHQ MAY REDUCE THE THREE YEAR REQUIREMENT

Given the above, my recommendation is to speak to your chain of command to determine if you meet the requirements for a VW.  Your personal circumstances may weigh in the decision but the needs of the CAF will be considered as well.  In your favor I note that you have a recruit school bypass.  Specifically you have not incurred any training at CAF expense so this may also weigh into any decision about waiving the three year period.

Regards

Andraste

See also,

Obligatory Service and Release
http://army.ca/forums/threads/105193.25
2 pages.

etc...

VR
https://www.google.ca/search?q=site%3Aarmy.ca+early+release&sourceid=ie7&rls=com.microsoft:en-CA:IE-Address&ie=&oe=&rlz=1I7GGHP_en-GBCA592&gfe_rd=cr&ei=KNNqV7u8MeaM8Qf_soGwDQ&gws_rd=ssl#q=site:army.ca+VR

hmp said:
The only thing I can venture to guess is by breaking my contract a dishonorable discharge is the only option which can affect future careers, but my mental health is worth the risk.

Perhaps you should ask to speak to an expert?

 
I am far from an expert in matters of early release, but if you've not seen a Padre, I'd suggest doing so, whether you are religious or not. Most of them are excellent.
 
And if you've not seen a padre, have you seen a Medical Officer (or PA)?  Since you bring up (or at least strongly suggest) that this is having an affect on your mental health, then that is what the medics are there for.
 
Whatever you do, do not go for a dishonourable discharge. Not only can it ruin your future, you might be stuck in the military for a longer period than if you go through the regular release routes.

The best advice has already been given, either see a Padre, or a Medical Officer. Depending where you are on your training, maybe talking to your instructors/chain of command might be a good suggestion as well.
 
Just a quick add-in.

You don't need to feel 'bad', because you aren't happy with life in the military.  Just like I don't need to feel bad I wouldn't be happy working in a bank or something.

CAF Member Assistance Program.  Free, confidential and separate from the CF Health Svcs professionals.  This might be a good place to start if you are reluctant to talk to the folks previously mentioned.

I've used the Member Assistance Program, so has my family.  I made the call and was put in touch with a local professional in less than 2 days.  Unless things have changed, you can get up to 8 sessions or so to help you thru whatever issue, problem, concern you have. 

They might not be able to help you release earlier, but they will be able to help you deal with the stresses, etc this situation is causing you and your family.  I wish I had better words to show how important and helpful programs like this are.  The best I can say is it worked for me, and a few others I know. 

http://www.forces.gc.ca/en/caf-community-support-services-map/member-assistance-program.page

Member Assistance Program

What is your Member Assistance Program?

It is a voluntary and confidential service, initiated by the Canadian Armed Forces (CAF) to help members (Regular Force, all Reserve Class Members, Cadets) and family members who have personal concerns that affect their personal well-being and/or work performance.

Call us for a confidential talk. If we can't help, we know someone who can. 24 hours a day, 365 days a year.

1-800-268-7708 Â FREE | (Teletypewriter) 1-800-567-5803 Â FREE

Offered by the Employee Assistance Services of Health Canada in partnership with the Canadian Armed Forces

What types of concerns?
•marital and family
•interpersonal relations
•personal and emotional
•stress and burn-out
•work-related, including harassment and sexual assault
•alcohol, drugs and prescription drugs

Any other concerns that affect or could affect personal well-being and/or work performance.

How to contact the Member Assistance Program

This is a voluntary program. Any individual wishing to talk to a professional counsellor or to make an appointment can simply call the Member Assistance Program, 24 hours a day, 365 days a year.
 
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