Driving Time Restriction on Annual Leave

[bluecollared]

During a brief we received one day we were told that while on annual leave you are only allowed to drive a certain number of km's per day, and if you were to get into an accident and it was found you had exceeded the allowable limit certain benefits could be withheld.

I know that while you are travelling by POMV to a course or something while on military duty you are restricted to 500 km or so a day of driving time, I can't remember the exact number. I guess I just always assumed that while on annual leave you could drive as far as you wanted in a day.

I checked the leave policy manual and the QR&O's referenced in that pub, but I can't find anything about it. I can't find anything about any restrictions on driving distance at all, so I'm probably not looking in the right spot. I tried a search of this site but couldn't find any threads about this kind of thing either.

I'd certainly appreciate it if someone here could point me in the right direction.

Thanks.

 

[bluecollared]

Sorry Moderator, I meant to post this to Military Admin.

 

[Transporter]

Have never heard of such a thing in my 26 yrs of taking annual leave.

 

[Occam]

While we're waiting for the thread to get relocated, I don't believe you'll find any CF or DND regulation that says you can only drive so much in one day while on annual leave.  Any benefits that are withheld would be withheld because you're on annual leave and not on duty, and not because you decided to drive 800 km in one day.

That's not to say the police won't charge you for for any one of numerous Provincial Offences, or even a couple of Criminal Code offences if they suspect you're driving while excessively fatigued.

 

[Biohazardxj]

You will not find any such regulation.  However, common sense should dictate your actions.  When I was a young private, and hadn't been issued my common sense yet, I use to leave work at 1600 and drive 14 hours straight to get home to a certain red head.  Now a days the 5 minute drive to work is exhausting...... 

 

[Shamrock]

The restriction is for travel to and from TD on a PMV waiver. Individuals are given one day's travel and must make up the rest via leave (but not special). Traveling 3500 km would thus require 5 annual, 1 weekend.

 

[Tibbson]

Same here.  I remember leaving Shilo at 0100 hrs after attending a friends wedding reception (I dont drink so that wasnt an issue) and driving straight through to Borden, arriving in time to get my room squared away to start my QL 5.  And that was on travel status for a course too. 

Now, somedays, I get tired even taking a nap. 

 

[Loachman]

Now a days the 5 minute drive to work is exhausting......

Then perhaps it's time to trade in the redhead for a blonde or brunette. They have a reputation for being less demanding.

 

[captloadie]

The restriction is for travel to and from TD on a PMV waiver. Individuals are given one day's travel and must make up the rest via leave (but not special). Traveling 3500 km would thus require 5 annual, 1 weekend.

From recent experience, this is the only time a limit on driving distance is applied, wrt to leave. If you aren't heading out to a course, tasking etc., and decide to crisscross Canada in 8 days, nothing but common sense will stop you. The problem with the 500km is that it was an arbitrary number taken from the Relocation policy. There are all kinds of issues using it for normal TD or waivers for POMV. For instance, an MSE Op can legally have a 13 hour duty day while in a DND vehicle. That same individual going to Borden on course using a POMV is limited to 500lm a day (in theory). Doesn't make much sense.

 

[bluecollared]

Thanks for all the help. When I heard it I thought it sounded odd, but the brief was given by a clerk and it dealt specifically with leave and how people misunderstand CF leave policy. It was just one of those things that I would need to see in black and white before I believed it, but I didn't doubt the possibility that such a policy could exist. As we all know, in the military sometimes the truth really is stranger than fiction.

 

[PuckChaser]

Just like all those people who claim if you break your leg doing a BFT with non-issued boots, VAC won't cover you. No documentation or basis in reality, just trying to scare people and sound smart.

 

[Shamrock]

Just like all those people who claim if you break your leg doing a BFT with non-issued boots, VAC won't cover you. No documentation or basis in reality, just trying to scare people and sound smart.

Travel "to and from" TD is governed by the CFTDTI.  The particular ref we smart people were using was CFTDTI, Chap 7, Sect 7.41, Para (5).

 

[PMedMoe]

Travel "to and from" TD is governed by the CFTDTI.  The particular ref we smart people were using was CFTDTI, Chap 7, Sect 7.41, Para (5).

I think the "smart" reference was to someone saying it applied to annual leave.

 

[Haggis]

The actual restriction is found in para 3.3.11(c) of the National Joint Council Travel Directive (from which the entitlements in the CFTDTI are drawn) for both POMV and rental vehicles:

"In the interests of safe driving, when employee-driven vehicles are authorized, employees shall not normally be expected to drive more than:
•250 kilometres after having worked a full day;
•350 kilometres after having worked one-half day; or
•500 kilometres on any day when the employee has not worked."

This does NOT apply to travel while on annual leave.