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FOA vs TD criteria for each

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Could someone in the know please point me in the right direction reference what constitutes TD and what constitutes FOA IAW the CFAO's or anyother applicable citation.  By that I am looking for is the exact passage not what we all seem to think it is ie, if your not issued bedsheets it is FOA type stuff.  Thank you.
 
CFAO 205-25, Annex Q

ANNEX Q -- FIELD OPERATIONS ALLOWANCEPURPOSE
1.    This annex amplifies  QR&O 205.39 and includes limitations
prescribed by the Minister.
INTENT
2.    Field Operations Allowance (FOA) is financial compensation paid for
the performance of duties where there is exposure to the environmental
conditions associated with field operations.  It recognizes the adverse
conditions associated with living away from suitable accommodation and
facilities normally found in base locations.
DEFINITION
3.    For the purposes of this annex, "field operation" means an operation
ordered  under the authority of the CDS or a field exercise or training
exercise carried out under the authority of NDHQ or of a unit commanding
officer, in which the participating members are required to live under
field conditions for a minimum period of 24 hours, but does not include
survey operations conducted by a survey party.
ENTITLEMENT
4.    FOA is payable, at the rate prescribed in  QR&O 205.39, to a member
who participates in a field operation for a minimum period of 24 hours.
Where the period of exposure exceeds 24 continuous hours, FOA is payable
for each multiple of 24 hours.  Any remaining period of 6 hours or more
shall be counted as a 24-hour period.
LIMITATIONS
5.    FOA is not payable to a member who is:
    a.  in receipt of Foreign Duty Allowance under  QR&O 205.44;

    b.  on Adventure Training pursuant to 9-58.

6.    A member on temporary duty (TD) who qualifies for FOA is entitled to
the allowance but the entitlement to the incidental portion of TD expenses
prescribed in  QR&O 209.30(5) ceases during any period for which the
member receives FOA.

ADMINISTRATION AND ACCOUNTING

7.    On completion of an operation for which there is entitlement to FOA,
the administrative staff of the units participating in the operation shall
prepare:

    a.  a nominal roll, in triplicate, in accordance with Appendix 1; and

          Note -A separate nominal roll is required for attached personnel
          of each unit taking part, and appropriate unit identification
          must be shown on each nominal roll.

    b.  a form CF 52, General Allowance Claim, in triplicate indicating
          the name and duration of the operation of exercise, the number of
          entitled members including attached personnel, and the total
          amount of the claim.

          Note -A separate form CF 52, with supporting nominal roll, is
          required for members of the Reserve Force on other than Class "C"
          Reserve Service.

8.    The claim shall be signed by the commanding officer of the unit and
forwarded with the supporting nominal role to the accounting officer for
processing to each member's pay account in accordance with
A-FN-100-002/AG-005.

9.    To increase the beneficial effect of the allowance to members in the
field for extended periods, arrangements should be made locally to effect
cash payment in the field where this is practicable.

Issued 17 Oct 86
 
To supplement dapaterson's above post:
CBI 205.39
205.39 – FIELD OPERATIONS ALLOWANCE
(Definition) In this instruction, “field operation” means an operation ordered by the Chief of the Defence Staff or a field exercise or training exercise carried out under the authority of National Defence Headquarters or an officer commanding a command, formation, base or unit, in which an officer or non-commissioned member is required to live under field conditions for a period of not less than 24 consecutive hours, but does not include a survey operation.
(Eligibility) Subject to paragraph (3), an officer or non-commissioned member is entitled, when on duty on a field operation away from the permanent facilities normally occupied at the member ’s base or other unit or element, to:
$18.46 for each complete 24-hour period of that duty; and
(TB No 833048, effective 1 Apr 06)
$18.46 for any remaining period of that duty that is of six or more hours duration.
(TB No 833048, effective 1 Apr 06)
(Limitations) An officer or non-commissioned member:
is not entitled to Field Operations Allowance when the member is entitled to Joint Task Force 2 Allowance under CBI 205.385 or on adventure training;
is not entitled to Field Operations Allowance when the member is in receipt of Post Differential Allowance under the Military Foreign Service Regulations; or
who is on temporary duty and entitled to Field Operation Allowance, is not entitled to incidentals under paragraph (5) of CBI 209.30 - Travelling Expenses – Conditions and Entitlement while in receipt of Field Operation Allowance.
 
Thank you both.  Now is it possible to point me in the direction of what TD is ref QR&O's.  Basically we are on base with four walls and a roof and running water for Ex Desert Ram (I think, running a range) and are getting FOA and I am trying to determine what the exact difference is between the two.
 
Lone Wolf Q:  The CFTDI defines when there is an entitlement for TD.

However, it does happen that FOA can be awarded to all pers on an exercise (this happened to me back when TD on base was $4 per day vs $12? or so a day for FOA).  I was living in a mod tent, but eating most meals in the mess on base.  Back in unit lines, my "excess" FOA (as determined by a jury of my peers) was consumed in liquid wheat form by the jury.

I'm not certain what controls are in place today to regulate who gets what.

 
This should provide all the definition required:
205.39 – FIELD OPERATIONS ALLOWANCE
(Definition) In this instruction, “field operation” means an operation ordered by the Chief of the Defence Staff or a field exercise or training exercise carried out under the authority of National Defence Headquarters or an officer commanding a command, formation, base or unit, in which an officer or non-commissioned member is required to live under field conditions for a period of not less than 24 consecutive hours, but does not include a survey operation.
(Eligibility) Subject to paragraph (3), an officer or non-commissioned member is entitled, when on duty on a field operation away from the permanent facilities normally occupied at the member ’s base or other unit or element
 
Thanks again.  it would seem I could make an arguement that we should be getting TD vice FOA then.
 
Lone Wolf Quagmire said:
Thanks again.  it would seem I could make an arguement that we should be getting TD vice FOA then.

LWQ, you hiding out in the internet cafe at "KAF" ?
 
Fresh meals, internet, hot showers, laundry what possibly could be so bad

oh ya the TAC (or TALK whatever I'm a Cpl)
 
Unfortunately, FOA is an allowance - added to your pay & on which you pay taxes
VS
TD = reimbursement of personal expenses while away from home - without necessarily needing receipts....

Soooo.... no free ride this time.
 
Hey I'm a clerk and I debated that already while on Ex Sustaining Vigor and Nimble Fury... As you are supporting an Ex prescribed by the CDS you will be getting FOA...  If you read the CBI, they do talk about Exercise in there.  Don't forget that TD will go down to 75% after 30 days (About $13.00 vice $17.30).  In the end it is about the same amount of money and it is still money in our pocket. ;D
 
We were debating this EXACT SAME issue in 1982 - if you deploy on exercise to Wainwright, and are housed in the shacks, but you sleep in your fart sack instead of between sheets, are you entitled to FOA or TD?

Bottom line - it's a matter of opinion, and the only opinion that counts is that of the Commander or CO involved (as advised by his G1/G4 Fin and/or Adjt/CC).

Makes for interesting speculation over beers in the mess, but in the end, just take the money you're getting and buy a beer or two.



Roy
 
Sindy said:
In the end it is about the same amount of money and it is still money in our pocket. ;D
Except one is added to your T4 come year-end and the other isn't.
 
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