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G11 Rifle

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Was this weapon ahead of its time ? Quite possibly. I have liked the concept of caseless ammo as a great way to reduce the weight that a soldier has to carry in combat. Eliminating brass is the easiest way, if feeding/jamming issues can be eliminated.

http://www.military.com/soldiertech/0,14632,Soldiertech_G11,,00.html?ESRC=dod.nl
 
There's nothing wrong with it in principle, and I think it could be a fairly sucessful idea.  The article does touch on the points that scuppered it.  Common logistics, the disapearence of the Russian bear, the finnancial crunch brought about by re-unification.  All of these laid the G11 to rest.
The failure rate of 1 round in 485 does seem excessive, but that averages out to around 123 rounds in the 60,000 failing.  Could have been a bad production run.  Not quite sure what the cook-off rate of 150 at 60 rpm means...but I do know that the G11 used a high explosive blend in the propellant to reduce the sensitivity and temperature of it.

I think that logistics is going to be the next big hurdle to overcome in developing a new SAA cart used througout NATO.  We still have countries that use 7.62 in their personal weapons to a large extent (Turkey) so there would have to be a very compelling reason to change to not only a whole new cartridge, but to a new weapon system.

While some would be willing to buy off the shelf from other countries designs, a lot of countries would have to start a R&D programme to make a new weapon that would fire this cartridge.  Others would be willing to go half way and pay for manufacturing rights to make homegrown versions of the off the shelf weapons.  These would have problems which would cause bad publicity.  First models are never 90% reliable, let alone 100%.  It's not simple world to buy military kit in anymore unfortunately.  National pride and partisan politics overshadows almost everything.

That being said, perhaps this could have an application in specialist areas.  A caseless gatling system.  Much more portable, a light vehicle could carry a much larger ammo load.  I think the rate of fire would still have to be limited due to heat production, but you could keep firing much longer.

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Certainly an interesting concept. The idea of being able to carry 135 magazine loaded rounds in less than 10 lbs. sounds pretty nice. Keep in mind too that this weapon was/is 4.73mm for projectile diameter.

The salvo fire, again, nice idea. However, you get 3 bullets pretty closely spaced, but all 4.73mm. Is that so much better than a single 5.56mm round?

I wonder whether this ammo/rifle is more or less expensive to produce than the regular G36 and subsequent ammo.
I also wonder how dirty it gets... With no casing the gunpowder would explode directly in the chamber (am I right?). Lots and lots of carbon.
 
I wonder whether this ammo/rifle is more or less expensive to produce than the regular G36 and subsequent ammo.

G36 uses 5.56mm and the German Army would have some on stock anyways for their H&K 33s.
 
Additional info.

http://www.hkpro.com/g11.htm

http://www.strategypage.com/dls/articles/20054318.asp
 
Although the G-11 was an amazing concept, the proving grounds are littered with many fantastic "new" concepts which were defeated by what was "good enough".

Since WW II we saw the British EM-2, the American SPIW program, the G-11, the ACR and the OICW, all quite revolutionary concepts, and all failing to replace the rather pedestrian rifles fielded by the armies of the day. (The EM-2 came closest, but a combination of politics and economics scuttled it).

The XM-25 represents the newest idea for an infantry weapon (25mm "smart" grenade launcher), which has the different concept of operation, delivering high explosive to the enemy rather than some form of kinetic energy projectile. Time will tell if this concept catches on.
 
a_majoor said:
The XM-25 represents the newest idea for an infantry weapon (25mm "smart" grenade launcher), which has the different concept of operation, delivering high explosive to the enemy rather than some form of kinetic energy projectile. Time will tell if this concept catches on.

That's exactly what the OICW was. Only the OICW had both the high explosive and kinetic energy.
 
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