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Decision to trim CF-18s lacked defence analysis
Fraser questions plan to upgrade only 80 of the jets

May not be enough to meet Canada's commitments


BRUCE CAMPION-SMITH
OTTAWA BUREAU

OTTAWAâ ”At a time when Canadian fighters are on high alert for terrorist hijackings, the federal government is cutting its fleet of CF-18s and may have only 34 of the fighter jets on the frontline in a few years, the auditor-general finds.

Sheila Fraser gave passing grades to the defence department's $2.6 billion program to retrofit the aging fighters with improved electronics, radios and weapon systems to keep them flying until 2017.

But in a report released yesterday, the auditor-general raised a red flag about Ottawa's decision to upgrade just 80 CF-18s, a decision made in 1998 without any analysis of the air force's real need.

And she notes that decision was made three years before terrorist attacks in Washington and New York using hijacked jetliners forced military brass to begin regular fighter patrols in Canadian airspace.

"We expected to find an analysis to support why the department chose 80 as the number to modify ... we were unable to find such an analysis," Fraser wrote in her report.

"Yet, new threats to North America ... may increase demands on the upgraded 80-aircraft fleet."

National Defence purchased 119 of the aircraft in 1980, when the Soviet threat was paramount. The remainder are now for sale or have been scavenged for parts.

Out of the 80 aircraft to be modernized, 48 would be deployed to operational squadrons. Once maintenance issues are taken into account, only 34 are "mission-ready" on a daily basis.

With an attrition rate of one or two aircraft a year, Fraser is urging defence officials take a second look at whether the smaller fleet is enough to meet Canada's commitments.

Yesterday, an audit department official said the air force may have to reconsider its decision to upgrade just 80 of the sleek fighters.

"We're saying it's a different world. Go back and make sure 80 is enough," one audit official said.

Fraser also notes that at the very time when the government is spending billions to improve the jets, future budget woes â ” and a shortage of pilots â ” could threaten the defence department's ability to "maintain and continue flying the CF-18s to operational commitments.

"It must ensure that it can address existing pilot shortages, shortages of air technicians who maintain the aircraft, shortages of spare parts to keep the aircraft flying, and budgetary pressures on operational funding."

She also noted that tight budgets have capped the amount of flying time each CF-18 pilot gets at about 182 hours a year.

"Pilots no longer train for high-threat scenarios, which require about 240 flying hours per year," Fraser writes.

In the Commons, Defence Minister Bill Graham acknowledged there have been problems in the upgrade program, but he said these are to be expected and the military has responded accordingly.

"The air force is overcoming those problems," said Graham. "They have done a damn good job and we should be very, very proud of them."


 
Nice links.  You might want to quote some of them, or add commentary yourself, like this rather salient quote from the Auditor General:

3.24 Decision to upgrade 80 aircraft. We expected to find an analysis to support why the Department chose 80 aircraft as the number to modify. We expected that this analysis would take into account the many variables affecting the estimated useful life of the aircraft, including its expected attrition rate, age, and roles as defined in National Defence policy. We were unable to find such an analysis....
 
The line that puzzled me was "She also noted that tight budgets have capped the amount of flying time each CF-18 pilot gets at about 182 hours a year. "Pilots no longer train for high-threat scenarios, which require about 240 flying hours per year," Fraser writes.

That doesn't seem like a lot of time. Anyone know the average time drivers get on other airframes? Are guys getting just enough time to stay current, or are they getting enough time to get "outstanding."

Can we compare it to other countries like Norway or the Brits?

Cheers,
 
182 hours a year seems pretty low to me.  That works out to about two 2 hour flights a week, which is not very much.  Mind you, how much time are they getting in the simulators? 

I just had a look through my old log-book and when I was on Chinooks we got on average 600 hours a year, and that involved a lot of sitting around and waiting.  I can't imagine what these guys do for the rest of the time.

Cheers,
Bill
 
While I haven't flown a full year on Sea Kings, I think the guys around hear are averaging around 400hrs, more if they deploy with a serviceable aircraft and less if they're ashore.

Bograt, the big problem here is currency, guys need to do so many things to stay current now that we're becoming jacks of all trades and we just don't have the serviceable aircraft to keep everybody current let alone proficient. With the limited # of aircraft available and the number of guys that need to fly to maintain their currency, the training is being put on the back burner, the Sea King Pilot course is 12 Clearhood flights, 7 Instrument flights, 8 tactical flights and 9 simulator flights. A total of 36 "X's" and about 60-70 flying hours, you'd think we could do it in about 3 months for weather and what not, well the course ahead of mine started in May and they're going to be nearly 8 months on course, my course is supposed to finish in Mar but that will undoubtedly be delayed.

Sorry to paint such a grim picture, but unfortunately, that's the way the cookie crumbles. It's still a kick ass job and I wouldn't trade it for anything.  ;D

Cheers
 
They still wanna have the CF-18's running till 2017 while everyone seems to be getten ready to make way for newer aircraft... then again this is canada  :'(
 
Can anyone speak to how our CF-18's are currently deployed (how many at which bases, as well as roles)?

I'm just trying to wrap my head around current responsibilities before I try to put the the number "80" into context.


Many thanks,



Matthew.    :salute:
 
When I was with a fighter sqn in Germany they would get in the neighbourhood of one hop a day, usually at least an hour. I forget the numbers, but i think they were getting in the region of 250-270 hours a year while roled air-ground. IIRC the hours reduced a bit when a sqn re-roled air-air only.

Acorn
 
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