Is Obama allegedly indictable for 'conspiracy to overthrow a foreign government"

[BrianHarris]

If one is going by the Constitution of EGypt, Hosni Mubarak is the righful and constitutionally mandated president of Egypt. Not until elections this coming September can no one lawfully claim that he is the lawful president. Strictly applying the criminal code of Venezuela, any attempt to overthrow the government of Hosni Mubarak is indictable either for rebellion, treason or subversion. Coupled with that is the law in United States that 'any attempt to overthrow a constitutionally mandated government" is an indictable crime. Obama has radical issues with Mubarak. He is inciting the people of Egypt to overthrow Mubarak. He is giving aid to the enemies of the lawful government of Hosni. Is Obama allegedly guilty of overthrowing a foreign government as laid down in the US Criminal Code? Question to JAG lawyes of CArmy. Or there are additional elements lacking to constitute a crime?

 

[Haletown]

How do the laws of Venezuela apply in this case ?

If you want to understand Obama's motivations . . .

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2011/02/028267.php

Very worth the time.

 

[George Wallace]

Interesting "Post 'N Run".

Can you flesh that out some, as according to your profile you are an 'applicant as analyst'?

If one is going by the Constitution of Egypt, Hosni Mubarak is the righful and constitutionally mandated president of Egypt. Not until elections this coming September can no one lawfully claim that he is the lawful president. (That is a "double negative".)Strictly applying the criminal code of Venezuela, (What does the criminal code of Venezuela have to do with Egypt?) any attempt to overthrow the government of Hosni Mubarak is indictable either for rebellion, treason or subversion. Coupled with that is the law in United States that 'any attempt to overthrow a constitutionally mandated government" is an indictable crime.  (Once again, SO WHAT?) Obama has radical issues with Mubarak. He is inciting the people of Egypt to overthrow Mubarak. (Huh?  What does Obama have to do with this?)  He is giving aid to the enemies of the lawful government of Hosni. Is Obama allegedly guilty of overthrowing a foreign government as laid down in the US Criminal Code? Question to JAG lawyers of CdnArmy. Or there are additional elements lacking to constitute a crime?

OK.  I think you have been here before.  mediocre1/PolSciPof  ?

 

[The Bread Guy]

.... Obama has radical issues with Mubarak. He is inciting the people of Egypt to overthrow Mubarak. He is giving aid to the enemies of the lawful government of Hosni. Is Obama allegedly guilty of overthrowing a foreign government as laid down in the US Criminal Code? ....

Really?  Any proof you're willing to share with us on this? 

 

[BrianHarris]

If Egypt has extradition treaty with USA and the law of Canada applies such that any act committed on foreign soil which constitutes as an offence in Canada, is also an offence in Canada. That means that if I go to the Philippines and engage in cockfighting, even if I am not in Canadian soil, I am still indictable in  Canada. The liberals passed that law to corner a critic. But that does not matter. The US Criminal Code states that "attempting to overthrow a foreign government is an indictable crime.

The communists throw the imperialist tag on Reagan when he and the CIA succeeded in conspiring to cause the Soviet Union to implode. Now that Obama is attempting to overthrow a foreign government the Communist Party of USA is mum on the issue. Double standards aggravate the crime of the communists as acccomplice to Obama's crime of attempting to overthrow  a forerign government.

 

[BrianHarris]

Really?  Any proof you're willing to share with us on this?

Sir, please read the newspaper 24H. It is published daily together with the exact words of Obama ...

 

[The Bread Guy]

Sir, please read the newspaper 24H. It is published daily together with the exact words of Obama ...

Any links to this 24H outlet?

 

[George Wallace]

............. Now that Obama is attempting to overthrow a foreign government the Communist Party of USA is mum on the issue. Double standards aggravate the crime of the communists as acccomplice to Obama's crime of attempting to overthrow  a forerign government.

As you seem to be under the impression that you can throw out some legalese, may we ask "where is your burden of proof" that Obama is attempting to overthrow a froeign government?  What does the Communist Party of the USA have to do with any of this?

 

[BrianHarris]

http://www.buffalonews.com/wire-feeds/24-hour-national-news/article330497.ece

Obama cannot convolute arguments on this. He is prodding Mubarak to kow-tow to the wishes of a bunch of hooligans numberig to 200,000 which is .05 % of the electorate not to respect the Constitution and  lawfully ordained constitutionally mandated government of Mubarak. Just the same way as he conspired to eliminate free health care in two tier Chicago public hospitals to discredit a poet who knew "in Chicago hospitals they treat your malignant tumor/ free including morphine that calms down one's tremors". End of quote.

 

[BrianHarris]

As you seem to be under the impression that you can throw out some legalese, may we ask "where is your burden of proof" that Obama is attempting to overthrow a froeign government?  What does the Communist Party of the USA have to do with any of this?

The Communist Party of USA has issued statements supporting Obama presumably right or wrong. I am a frequent visitor of politicalaffairs.net, CPUSA mouthpiece and there are articles supporing Obama and evasive statements on his iwrongdoings like swallowing hard when King Abdullah asked him if he was a Cuban spy and grimacing at images of Che Guevarra and Fidel Castro flashed in front of his podium. Even Conservative flocks gathered in  front of him carrying Cuban flags. This he did not take llightly. He really swallowed hard. He too is allegedly guilty of hate crime for his "lipstick on a pig" ridicule of a constant strip bar visitor who likened him to a lunatic mocking his critics "try mocking me for economic sabotage and defrauding the public/ and i shall put you behind bars for making love to me a lunatic. end of  quote

 

[Nauticus]

If Egypt has extradition treaty with USA and the law of Canada applies such that any act committed on foreign soil which constitutes as an offence in Canada, is also an offence in Canada. That means that if I go to the Philippines and engage in cockfighting, even if I am not in Canadian soil, I am still indictable in  Canada. The liberals passed that law to corner a critic. But that does not matter. The US Criminal Code states that "attempting to overthrow a foreign government is an indictable crime.

The communists throw the imperialist tag on Reagan when he and the CIA succeeded in conspiring to cause the Soviet Union to implode. Now that Obama is attempting to overthrow a foreign government the Communist Party of USA is mum on the issue. Double standards aggravate the crime of the communists as acccomplice to Obama's crime of attempting to overthrow  a forerign government.

The CIA didn't cause the Soviet Union to implode, the arms race did.

 

[Teflon]

Still kind of wondering what makes you think any CF JAG would ponder this.

 

[BrianHarris]

Still kind of wondering what makes you think any CF JAG would ponder this.

As lessons to future generations of JAG lawyers. "Ignorance of the law does not excuseth someone for non-compliance". Obama should know this. He came from Harvard Law School.

 

[nuclearzombies]

Still kind of wondering what makes you think any CF JAG would ponder this.

I have the strangest feeling that this whole thread is some kind of fishing expidition. To shake a few trees and see what kind of nuts fall out, so to speak. This topic, at face value, is ridiculous. I have 5 to 1 odds that this topic will be locked before the day is out, say 1700 hrs Pacific.... Any takers?

 

[the 48th regulator]

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[larry Strong]

http://www.buffalonews.com/wire-feeds/24-hour-national-news/article330497.ece

Obama cannot convolute arguments on this. He is prodding Mubarak to kow-tow to the wishes of a bunch of hooligans numberig to 200,000 which is .05 % of the electorate not to respect the Constitution and  lawfully ordained constitutionally mandated government of Mubarak. Just the same way as he conspired to eliminate free health care in two tier Chicago public hospitals to discredit a poet who knew "in Chicago hospitals they treat your malignant tumor/ free including morphine that calms down one's tremors". End of quote.

:stars: I got dizzy trying to decipher this......

 

[Blackadder1916]

Sir, please read the newspaper 24H. It is published daily together with the exact words of Obama ...

Any links to this 24H outlet?

It may be this http://vancouver.24hrs.ca/ , a small sized weekday publication available free in a few of the major Canadian metropolitan centres aimed at commuters (hopefully not when they are driving).  I've read it a few times, usually when it's left on the seat on those rare occasions when I've had to use public transit.  It is probably a publication of choice for those less fortunate of our fellow citizens who may have no alternative but to recycle it as underwear or insulation.  I doubt that it has any electromagnetic shielding properties; tinfoil remains the best substance from which to fashion protective headgear.

Or it may be this one, http://www.24hnewspaper.com/ .  It is (I think) an Egyptian daily, but since it is in Arabic the only thing I'm able to decipher is the occasional number.  Ahh, very clever for hiding the secret messages that only the "special few" can receive.

 

[57Chevy]

He is inciting the people of Egypt to overthrow Mubarak.

No he is not.
No individual can influence an entire Nation to overthrow its Government
The people of Egypt are exercising their fundamental right to freedom and justice.

Knowing first that wise men seek sound counsel,
Obama is offering 'that', as are many other Nations.
Mr. Mubarack, being wise will listen to the advice that is offered.
The decision (based on that advice) rest solely with him.

Clear enough ?

 

[BrianHarris]

No he is not.
No individual can influence an entire Nation to overthrow its Government
The people of Egypt are exercising their fundamental right to freedom and justice.

Knowing first that wise men seek sound counsel,
Obama is offering 'that', as are many other Nations.
Mr. Mubarack, being wise will listen to the advice that is offered.
The decision (based on that advice) rest solely with him.

Clear enough ?

What basis do you have applying political laws and international laws? Mubarak has repeatedly stated that he will resign at the end of his term. Even Canadian political law would recognize Mubarak government as the lawful constitutionally mandated one. He is not counselling Mubarak.  Obama says "the Egyptian people are his source of inspiration". Which means that he is party, accessory, accomplice, co-principal to the crime of 'attempting to overthrow a foreign government" which is that of Mubarak. As a source of inspiration, he is explicitly and implicitly supporting the overthrow of the Mubarak government which this bunch of .0001% hooligans of the whole Egyptian electorate. There are laws on impeachment. There are criminal laws to hound Mubarak. Why settle for unlawful means? The Egyptian constitution has "impeachment provisions" . Why not exhaust all possible legal remedies instead of rebellion, subversion and treason?

And if the Egyptian parliament passes a law or a constitutional provision in support of Mubarak, then that aggravates the alleged crime of Obama which is "attempting to overthrow a foreign government". We respect the constittutionally mandated Parliament Hill. Why not the Egyptian Parliament? Don't tell me you know better than the Supreme Court Justices of the Supreme Court of Egypt.

 

[Michael OLeary]

The Egyptian constitution has "impeachment provisions" .

Could you post these (in Egyptian Arabic for the purists and the official English translation for Infidels) and provide us a detailed analysis for our mutual benefit and education.