Islamic Terrorism in the West ( Mega thread)

[Kirkhill]

Why not just get rid of religious schooling across the board ? Private and public.

Also I was in the Ont Catholic school system my whole academic life.

You would have to ask the Catholic church about that.

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Public schooling has been a feature of the British system in various forms since 1560 when universal literacy was required in Knox's Scotland so every man, woman and child could read the Bible for themselves and draw their own conclusions.

The Roman church was adamant that priests would tell you everything you needed to know.

By the 1840s, in Canada the debate, led by Egerton Ryerson was over how much education should be paid for out of the common purse. Concurrently Britain was allowing Catholics to hold public office, worship in their own churches and operate their own schools. The Roman church was allowed to re-establish its own bishopric in zBritain and many Brits converted. In the same spirit of liberalism the Government extended the same privileges to dissenting protestants like Presbyterians, Methodists, Quakers and even Unitarians (people that accepted Christ but rejected the three in one formulation).

The Catholic Church has had a consistent history of not just providing their own schools but of denying public schooling to its flock.

In Quebec the Church became the principal provider of education to the majority French population. The minority English speaking population held on to their local "public" schools, libraries and universities. All of which were open to all faiths.

It took until Vatican 2 and the Quiet Revolution before the dynamic changed. But by that time things had become further muddied by the settlement of the Prairies where people were recruited in groups from point sources and established in their own colonies where they lived with their own churches and schools and languages. The modern Hutterite colonies are a relic of that era. Add in a few hundred communities of indigenous people with their own languages, "churches" and education systems and you have the current stramash.

 

[Halifax Tar]

You would have to ask the Catholic church about that.

A Historical Overview of Education in Canada – Sociology of Education in Canada

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Public schooling has been a feature of the British system in various forms since 1560 when universal literacy was required in Knox's Scotland so every man, woman and child could read the Bible for themselves and draw their own conclusions.

The Roman church was adamant that priests would tell you everything you needed to know.

By the 1840s, in Canada the debate, led by Egerton Ryerson was over how much education should be paid for out of the common purse. Concurrently Britain was allowing Catholics to hold public office, worship in their own churches and operate their own schools. The Roman church was allowed to re-establish its own bishopric in zBritain and many Brits converted. In the same spirit of liberalism the Government extended the same privileges to dissenting protestants like Presbyterians, Methodists, Quakers and even Unitarians (people that accepted Christ but rejected the three in one formulation).

The Catholic Church has had a consistent history of not just providing their own schools but of denying public schooling to its flock.

In Quebec the Church became the principal provider of education to the majority French population. The minority English speaking population held on to their local "public" schools, libraries and universities. All of which were open to all faiths.

It took until Vatican 2 and the Quiet Revolution before the dynamic changed. But by that time things had become further muddied by the settlement of the Prairies where people were recruited in groups from point sources and established in their own colonies where they lived with their own churches and schools and languages. The modern Hutterite colonies are a relic of that era. Add in a few hundred communities of indigenous people with their own languages, "churches" and education systems and you have the current stramash.

NS managed to remove religion from is public school system. Expand it to private schooling as well.

 

[Kirkhill]

NS managed to remove religion from is public school system. Expand it to private schooling as well.

Toleration of religious belief is the very foundation of liberalism.
That is why we punish deeds and not thoughts.
Words are problematic.
Uttering words is a deed.
But words express thoughts.

And so we hire judges.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Toleration of religious belief is the very foundation of liberalism.
That is why we punish deeds and not thoughts.
Words are problematic.
Uttering words is a deed.
But words express thoughts.

And so we hire judges.

 

[Kirkhill]

Yup.

Churchill, as usual, was right. The worst system except for the all the others.

....

Our current problem, I think, is that we do not have a shared sense of what the end state is supposed to look like. We used to. We have lost it.....

No. That is wrong. It has been actively stripped from us.

 

[Halifax Tar]

We can tolerate religion without teaching it in schools.

 

[Brad Sallows]

Religion is radicalizing, but so is public welfare. Threaten someone's "free" goodies and see what happens politically. The biggest divide is between people quietly getting on with their lives and paying (reluctantly) their taxes for broadly shared benefits like policing and health care, and people demanding entitlements at the same time as they tear down the means of providing those entitlements. What is happening (exhibited pretty much nightly on broadcast news) suggests too much of the pie is being redirected away from the former to the latter. The radicalization is less individually intense, but across the population much greater.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Religion is radicalizing, but so is public welfare. Threaten someone's "free" goodies and see what happens politically. The biggest divide is between people quietly getting on with their lives and paying (reluctantly) their taxes for broadly shared benefits like policing and health care, and people demanding entitlements at the same time as they tear down the means of providing those entitlements. What is happening (exhibited pretty much nightly on broadcast news) suggests too much of the pie is being redirected away from the former to the latter. The radicalization is less individually intense, but across the population much greater.

Astute.

 

[Kirkhill]

We can tolerate religion without teaching it in schools.

But religion is about values. Standing or kneeling. Mecca or Rome. One or three. Those are artifacts.

And secularism, atheism, agnosticism, as value systems, like socialism, communism and fascism as well, are all religions. Articles of faith for believers.

 

[Kirkhill]

If schools could teach one thing I would ask that they teach that it is alright to be wrong.

There are truths. There are absolutes. But the challenge is finding them.