JTF-2 Members Can't get Disability Payments

[Bruce Monkhouse]

Elite JTF2 so secret its commandos can't get disability payouts
OTTAWA - The intense secrecy surrounding Canada's Joint Task Force 2 special forces unit is preventing injured commandos from obtaining disability benefits.
http://www.canada.com/national/nationalpost/news/story.html?id=c19b5dc7-163d-4b21-8f82-3dffb6adf107

...does anyone have something from a non-pay site?

 

[Navalsnpr]

During the Senate Committe hearings on "NATIONAL SECURITY AND DEFENCE" on the CPAC channel late last week, the committe did ask the MND about this topic.

The MND wasn't able to get an answer regarding the issue and indicated that he would look into the matter.

 

[Scoobie Newbie]

That sounds similar to the workers compensation case at Area 51 and workers getting radiation sickness.  Gov't says place doesn't exist therefore no claims are allowed.

 

[Good2Golf]

Not really the same, I don't think.  In this case there is an official public DND website with numerous pages describing generic capabilities, photos, FAQ, etc... no shadow installation there...

http://www.forces.gc.ca/dcds/units/jtf2/default_e.asp


Cheers,
Duey

 

[Scoobie Newbie]

by similar I meant secrecy surrounding said unit or establishment.

 

[Good2Golf]

What unit?










;D

 

[Sheerin]

I wonder how it works in the States, like do Delta guys get disability if they get injured? 

Does Delta even exist?

 

[a_majoor]

Of course they do. The PX is in area 51 right beside the Roswell hangers  ;D

 

[Scoobie Newbie]

Unit=JTF2
establishment=Area 51
both are secret which is the connection

 

[Armageddon]

if everything is a secret why can't they get paid for injuries while doing PT?  I mean we all know JTF 2 "doesn't exist" nor does it ever get deployed.........but I am sure that unnamed soldier are eligible for injuries suffered while on routine training in pet or doing PT..............not suggesting anything here, just thinking out loud

 

[Scoobie Newbie]

The gov't doesn't deny the existence of the JTF, they just don't discuss what they do at length.

 

[rw4th]

The problem, from what I have read, isn't with the unit being secret, but with the missions being secret. Since the mission "never happened" an injury suffered by a soldier on that mission is never reported nor officially documented. They are therefore not able to collect a pension for them.

Sounds like a stupid catch-22. I'm surprised bullshit like this has not been worked out yet. All they would really need to do is report the injuries as â Å“training relatedâ ? to solve all these silly problems without violating OPSEC.

As it stands now, I wonder if family members even get pensions if the soldier dies while on operation.

 

[MG34]

That is bullshit pure and simple,I know several that have indeed gotten their disability pensions.

 

[Navalsnpr]

It sounds like they need to have a MO posted there in order to properly document injuries.  Obviously he wouldn't put the specific details on the report, but enough to inform whoever reads the report that they were on active duty, deployed operationally when the accident occurred.

 

[Armageddon]

I think it is a question of their saying that they were deployed operationally that has the governments tail in a knot.  like I said before just say that they were injured on training and you would think there shouldn't be any questions from the bean counters in the back.

 

[Navalsnpr]

Someone needs to have a "Closed Door" session with the Medical, Veteran Affairs and MND departments to have this issue settled!

Maybe a job for the CDS??

 

[Slim]

I know a former member of that unit who had to retire from JTF2 and the CF due to a back injury. The member in question did retire with a medical pension.

As to what they do in the States...Delt Force pers are managed by what they refer to as DEROS (Department of the Army Security Roster) and their needs are taken care of by the DEROS personel, as the actual roster is not part of the regular army. All SF in the U.S. military are handled by this system.

Slim

 

[Infanteer]

Clearly gentlemen, the story is a bit of an exaggeration.  Both Slim and MG34 know soldiers who have served with the unit and have received full access to their benefits.  Obviously, rather then something systemic, it is a hick-up that will be sorted out.