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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/09/AR2006060901503_pf.html

Morals in A Combat Zone
By Peter Kilner, Washington Post, June 11, 2006; B07

''The differing reactions to the alleged killing of noncombatants by American soldiers in the Iraqi town of Haditha reveal a troubling ignorance about the moral reality of war. Much of the national dialogue about the incident is being dominated by people whose approaches to making moral judgments on wartime actions are fundamentally flawed.

In one corner are those who are so convinced this war is wrong that they see only the bad things soldiers do in it. Such people are blind to all the good our soldiers and the war are accomplishing, and they revel in exploiting any incident of misbehavior by soldiers to smear all members of the armed forces and the entire war effort. By their logic, abuse of detainees by one platoon in one prison in 2003, or the alleged killing of civilians by one squad in one town in 2005, is conclusive evidence that the entire war effort is evil. These people are unable to reconcile the fact that unjust actions can and do occur within a war that nonetheless is morally justified.

In the other corner are those so convinced of the rightness of our cause that they refuse to acknowledge that our soldiers sometimes make choices that are clearly wrong and for which they should be held accountable. These people equate supporting the laws of war with being unpatriotic and disdainful of the troops. What they fail to recognize is that their implicit argument is both insulting to soldiers and corrosive to the foundation of the military profession. My fellow soldiers and I recognize fully that we are responsible for our individual actions, and that our permission to do violence to other human beings is constrained by our obligation to do so only when it is morally justified.

These polar positions are not novel. They are consistent with schools of thought that military ethicists refer to as the war-pacifist and war-realist positions, both of which fall outside the mainstream of the just-war tradition. What is disturbing is the way these competing perspectives have been hijacked by groups with political agendas and thus given a wider hearing than they deserve.

We should all reject such simplistic approaches to judging soldiers' actions in war. A combat zone is not some parallel universe where the nature of human beings or moral judgment is different. Combat is a human endeavor, and like any human activity it can be carried out morally or immorally, and moral judgments can be made on it.

In simplest terms, when soldiers are careful to target only enemy combatants and to limit unnecessary destruction and suffering, they fight morally. If they intentionally or negligently fail to abide by these restrictions, they fight immorally.

A harsh reality of war is that it involves large numbers of people making life-or-death decisions in very stressful conditions. Inevitably, as in all areas of life, some don't always conduct themselves as they should. Those who commit crimes should be held accountable, keeping in mind the extenuating circumstances of combat.

The circumstances of this war's battlefields are terribly complex. Soldiers find themselves conducting a wide range of operations, from war-fighting to policing, often during a single patrol, and those different operations require different principles for the use of force. It is often difficult for soldiers to discern which approach is appropriate and when. Not infrequently, a well-intentioned soldier ends up killing a noncombatant because of mistaken identity or some other factor caused by the fog of war. In such circumstances, we can say that the action is neither justified nor unjustified but that it is excusable. Not every wrongful death in combat is a war crime.

The good news is that well-trained, well-led soldiers can and do overcome the moral challenges of war and conduct themselves with great honor, and the great majority of American soldiers are well trained and well led. Although we fight an enemy who intentionally violates all norms of human decency and goads us to follow him into the abyss of wanton killing, America's soldiers continue to exhibit remarkable restraint.

What explains the difference between units that commit war crimes and units that don't? Leadership. This is the critical factor in ensuring moral conduct in war. When junior officers and senior noncoms train their soldiers to do what is right and when they maintain their composure and lead by example, their soldiers are able to retain their moral bearings despite the temptations and frustrations of battle. American military history reminds us that war crimes can be prevented by small-unit leaders with moral courage and judgment.

The incident at Haditha is not likely to be the last time that we as a nation find ourselves judging the actions of our soldiers at war. All Americans should resist the calls of those who seek to condemn all soldiers based on the actions of a few, just as we should reject any claims that soldiers are immune from judgment. Instead, we should judge each soldier and situation on the merits, paying special attention to the circumstances in which the fateful decisions were made and to the actions of the soldier's leaders.
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The writer is a major in the U.S. Army. The views expressed here are his own.''
 
milnewstbay said:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/09/AR2006060901503_pf.html

Morals in A Combat Zone
By Peter Kilner, Washington Post, June 11, 2006; B07

''The differing reactions to the alleged killing of noncombatants by American soldiers in the Iraqi town of Haditha reveal a troubling ignorance about the moral reality of war. Much of the national dialogue about the incident is being dominated by people whose approaches to making moral judgments on wartime actions are fundamentally flawed.

In one corner are those who are so convinced this war is wrong that they see only the bad things soldiers do in it. Such people are blind to all the good our soldiers and the war are accomplishing, and they revel in exploiting any incident of misbehavior by soldiers to smear all members of the armed forces and the entire war effort. By their logic, abuse of detainees by one platoon in one prison in 2003, or the alleged killing of civilians by one squad in one town in 2005, is conclusive evidence that the entire war effort is evil. These people are unable to reconcile the fact that unjust actions can and do occur within a war that nonetheless is morally justified.

In the other corner are those so convinced of the rightness of our cause that they refuse to acknowledge that our soldiers sometimes make choices that are clearly wrong and for which they should be held accountable. These people equate supporting the laws of war with being unpatriotic and disdainful of the troops. What they fail to recognize is that their implicit argument is both insulting to soldiers and corrosive to the foundation of the military profession. My fellow soldiers and I recognize fully that we are responsible for our individual actions, and that our permission to do violence to other human beings is constrained by our obligation to do so only when it is morally justified.

We should all reject such simplistic approaches to judging soldiers' actions in war. A combat zone is not some parallel universe where the nature of human beings or moral judgment is different. Combat is a human endeavor, and like any human activity it can be carried out morally or immorally, and moral judgments can be made on it.

I guess those of us who feel the cause is just but the means in this case unsound don't count.  The article seems hypocritical to me. He starts off with the strawman argument that there are two only two "camps" of people with regards to reaction to the incident, and in the next breath he says that everybody (but him, apparently) should stop looking at things so simplistically.  ::) But he has done exactly the opposite in his opening three paragraphs.

His conclusion on leadership seems very apt, but the way he gets to it is a bit silly.  IMO.
 
Since we are not fighting a uniformed army "them" is everyone in theatre to the soldier on the ground. Too many Hadithas and Iraq will never stabilize. Pretending there are only two answers to complicated questions is almost an American cultural icon.

Both sides have an axe to grind. That unarmed civvies were killed is pretty clear. That they knew of the explosives that were planted seems probable from close study of the amateur video. The little girl says the night before she covered her ears when the jeep went by. No one wants the truth to come out, all parties want their version. I don’t think I’ll ever know the whole story.
 
Michael Dorosh said:
He starts off with the strawman argument that there are two only two "camps" of people with regards to reaction to the incident, ... 

I don't see him writing that there are only 2 camps anywhere, nor did I take that as his intent in this article. I believe he is referring to the "national dialogue" seen nightly occuring on your television sets and in your newspaper 'articles.' He is saying that "much of the national dialogue is being dominated by pers in one corner or the other."

Those on the far right wing (the blue corner)....and those on the far left-wing (the red corner) who have their own agendas and are using the incidents to further those agendas, ie....the far-left: "get out of Iraq" and the far-right: "The war is just...we can't be wrong."

This is exactly what I have seen on the news regarding Haditha et al. Extremists from either side, tarring the entire other side with one fell swoop.  That's what gets the ratings after all. I believe that he is inferring that the truth is somewhere in between those two corners, and only once the incident and all it's facts, and the soldier's perceptions of what was occuring in his mind and what was occuring physically at the moment of an occurance can any moral or ethical determinations be made and that to automaticly head to the blue or left corner based on political beliefs rather than facts is just as immorral and serves justice to no-one.

Haven't seen this occur here before? Take para 2...change the name to Belet Huen 1993 and change the statement to "is conclusive evidence that the entire Regiment is evil." Take his para para 3 and look at it this way: Belet Huen 1993, judge those whose actions were criminal or immoral, don't refuse to acknowledge any wrongdoing or white-wash it. Leave the other soldiers who did nothing wrong or immoral out of it to do their jobs the best they can.

Anyway, that's my take on the article.

 
ArmyVern said:
Those on the far right wing (the blue corner)....and those on the far left-wing (the red corner)


DING..DING.....and the fights on..it would be funny much like when Idy Amin challenged the president of Kenya (i think Kenya) to a boxing match to resolve the war.
 
What is rather odd from my perspective is that the same moral judgements are not being dealt out to the other side by the MSM. If a stressed out or incompetent leader of an American platoon can generate huge volumes of critical response and call to pack it in when they cross the line, how come mass graves, "torture houses", mass murder of civilians using suicide bombs, beheading of unarmed captives and so on by the insurgents gets a pass? You never see the New York Times saying incidents like these by the insurgents are reasons to redouble our efforts to build a stable society, carry the fight to the enemy etc. when any decent person should be thinking this is an evil to be opposed through every means possible.

All these incidents are clearly wrong, but we know that these are isolated incidents on the coalition side vs deliberate policy on the insurgent side. In the end, Peter Kilner is speaking about "just war", but between the MSM cheerleading against the war and the rabid fringe of Blogs and right wing media cheerleading "stay the course, right or wrong" we really ARE in danger of loosing the good that is being done, since it is getting ignored by both sides. Some sources of information like "Iraq the Model" or Micheal Yon are like rays of sunlight in an otherwise murky situation, and Canadians are being treated to some of the same slanted information warfare when you look at the general trends of media reporting about our mission in Afghanistan. We see emphasis on combat deaths and injuries, false or misleading tales of a coordinated Taliban offensive, and ridiculous fillers about condom use, but never stories about our reconstruction efforts, building  Afghan institutions and training their people to run them. Should a Canadian soldier or soldiers snap or even make a bad call in the heat of the moment, well, look out.
 
But the US has already lost the propaganda war everywhere on earth except the US. Everyone thinks its for the wrong reasons. Till they can change minds about why they are there the insurgency will never end. I hope Canada doesn't fall into the polemical trap that kills all intelligent debate. People know a line of bull when they hear one.

p.s Just saw this. They've even lost it at home now. CNN poll has 55% saying it was a mistake.
http://edition.cnn.com/2006/US/06/12/iraq.poll/
 
What is rather odd from my perspective is that the same moral judgements are not being dealt out to the other side by the MSM. If a stressed out or incompetent leader of an American platoon can generate huge volumes of critical response and call to pack it in when they cross the line, how come mass graves, "torture houses", mass murder of civilians using suicide bombs, beheading of unarmed captives and so on by the insurgents gets a pass? You never see the New York Times saying incidents like these by the insurgents are reasons to redouble our efforts to build a stable society, carry the fight to the enemy etc. when any decent person should be thinking this is an evil to be opposed through every means possible.

It's not very nice, but the media is simply catering to the public's interests, and the US public doesn't really care what the insurgents do, or when one gang of brown people brutalize another. This was all readily apparent when Bush pushed for the war on the basis of the WMD argument. The US public never gave a rats behind about the Iraqis, they would only support the war if there was a demonstrable threat to their own security. Once that threat has evaporated(in the court of public opinion, anyway), well, the opinion polls pretty clearly show the US public's true colours.

I've been having some very tiresome arguments with stupid American liberals recently on this very topic. 
 
None of us were in Haditha,
None of us have done 3 tours in Iraq

The News Media, presents a biased picture from the reality of being on the ground,
The investigation has been proceeding for the past couple of months, long before the mainstream media has found out,

If you are just speculating from information you have gathered from news, do some more research before open your mouth,
 
I agree with ArmyVern's assessment: Kilner is not saying there are only two camps. He is merely identifying the two camps he feels are the most influential. As long as we send soldiers to combat, especially to highly confusing and ambiguous wars such as Iraq (to name just one recent example), there will be a percentage who will intentionally break the rules of war. I doubt that they "snap": my guess is that they gradually morph from doing what they have been trained to do, and what they know is ethically and professionally right, to doing what they know is wrong. Kilner's emphasis on the failure of leadership is spot on, IMHO. If you examine any military organization (squad, platoon, battalion, etc) that has committed an atrocity, especially a systematic "malice aforethought" one, I'll bet you will find leaders who have gone off the rails. In losing their own way, these leaders create the environment that enables their troops to commit war crimes. This process is probably a "slippery slope" rather than a "cliff". We have experienced this in our own Army in living memory, and not just in Somalia. I've seen it in other places where leaders resorted to the "gang" mentality and felt that the rules did not apply to them.

The good news is that this is certainly a tiny minority of Marines who have engaged in these crimes. IMHO if there is any service that works to develop ethical and professional behaviour in its troops, it is the USMC. And, if there is any service that will learn from its experience and improve what needs to be improved, it's the Marines. I wish them well in navigating this.

Cheers
 
Typically people who spend a lot of time understress etc operate with frontal brain functions -- the longer you keep people understress (IED's etc.) the greater chance you run of an incident that completely bypasses their higher brain functions.

Grossman goes into this on his On Killing and On Combat -- and his Bullet Proof mind seminars.




 
The topic is also well covered (from a psychological as opposed to Grossman's physiological point of view) in Dr Jonathan Shay's Achilles in Vietnam: Combat Trauma and the Undoing of Character.  Recommend both this and the Grossman books I-6 mentioned as required reading for anyone who will lead troops.
 
Excellent, well thought out article. He's right on.

Also some good comments on it, but it boils down to "Being there, Doing That". We don't know, and as seen from the media reports on our own operations in Afghanistan, sensationalism is the icon of the day.

On the weekend there were interviews with one of the Sargent's that was there. Apparently, the procedure for clearing houses from which you have received fire plays a big part in this. I am not judging the procedure, I am simply stating that the insurgents are not stupid either. If they can create a firestorm of controversy by using houses containing civilians, they will. They know they will never be held to account for their actions, whereas the US soldiers will.

This whole thing is kinda like asking a guy "When did you stop beating your kids?" Doesn't matter what he says or did, the impression is there to those that overheard the comment!!
 
S_Baker said:
it seems to me that the jury is still out, I haven't seen any definitive report on what happened, and I am sure that most of the forum have not been to the theater.  Any reason why we can't wait to find out what happened?

I think the problem is the cover up. This happened in November, and was reported in Arab news the next day. If the new Iraqi Ambassador to the US didn't have a cousin murdered in Haditha we never would have heard about it at all. The US really has a credibility problem on this one.

http://thedanreport.blogspot.com/2006/05/new-iraq-ambassador-to-us-drops.html
 
2FtOnion said:
The investigation has been proceeding for the past couple of months, long before the mainstream media has found out,

Nemo, there is an ongoing investigation, so what cover up are you talking about? The dereliction of duty by MPs in the Abu Gharib Prison was also reported and under investigation BEFORE the media circus, so once again, look at the facts before you make accusations.
 
This is the official press release that is still in place today. It doesn’t mention an investigation.  "The Marine Corps said Sunday that 15 Iraqi civilians and a Marine were killed Saturday when a roadside bomb exploded in Haditha, 140 miles northwest of Baghdad. The bombing on Saturday in Haditha, on the Euphrates in the Sunni-dominated province of Anbar, was aimed at a convoy of American Marines and Iraqi Army soldiers, said Capt. Jeffrey S. Pool, a Marine spokesman. After the explosion, gunmen opened fire on the convoy. At least eight insurgents were killed in the firefight, the captain said."

It was six months ago and they paid all the families the maximum wrongful death payout, 2500$ a piece plus some miscellaneous damages. The investigation ended months ago. Get your facts straight.
 
Nemo -- there is still an investigation, a secondary one.  The "official release" will not be amended until (if it is at all) the secondary investigation determines what happened.

  Telling A_Majoor to get his facts straight when you yourself are in error is a little rude, and your tone is pretty condesending.

Shit Happens -- its a fact of life -- does not make it right either -- but keep in mind that when your keyed up 100% of the time always worried about being killed or mained by roadside bombs etc..  Your mind does things to make your survival chances higher.



 
Infidel-6 said:
Nemo -- there is still an investigation, a secondary one.  The "official release" will not be amended until (if it is at all) the secondary investigation determines what happened.

  Telling A_Majoor to get his facts straight when you yourself are in error is a little rude, and your tone is pretty condesending.

crap Happens -- its a fact of life -- does not make it right either -- but keep in mind that when your keyed up 100% of the time always worried about being killed or mained by roadside bombs etc..  Your mind does things to make your survival chances higher.

That rings true.
 
I heard on the radio yesterday that the platoon sergeant of the Marines involved in the Haditha incident has made the first public statement through his lawyer. Basically, he said that he and his Marines ( from 3/1) didn't kill anyone in cold blood. They were attacked by the IED and went into room clearing mode. 
 
Nemo888 said:
Pretending there are only two answers to complicated questions is almost an American cultural icon.
Nemo, what the writer has attempted here is hardly an "American cultural icon." It is called a dialectic - - an ancient form of liberal art (in concert with grammar and rhetoric) - - in which there is a debate between a thesis and its antithesis, in order to reach a synthesis. This technique was popularized by Plato....you know, several hundred years before some carpenter's kid's death made us start rejigging calendars.

And even though revived by Friedrich Hegel (although Hegelian dialectics should really be attributed to Johann Ficht, but that’s just so obvious to all  ;) ), Immanuel Kant, and Karl Marx in the early-/mid-19th century, it is several millenia older - - even before the US became a twinkle in revolutionary theorists' minds.

I hope Canada doesn't fall into the polemical trap that kills all intelligent debate.
Oh, and in this case that would be the philosophical practice of inciting dispute through unsubstantiated oversimplification, such as...
"But the US has already lost the propaganda war everywhere on earth except the US. Everyone thinks its for the wrong reasons."

People know a line of bull when they hear one.
Yep, I do.
And I bet you just rock in your Grade 12 Social(ist) Studies class.1 Thanks for coming out.::)

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1. I know you'll recognize that as the logical fallacy of argumentum ad hominem, or "attacking the messenger." I just didn't want you to miss it  ;)

 
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