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Posted by "John Gow" <jgow@home.com> on Sat, 10 Mar 2001 20:37:57 -0500
Hello all on web tonight...
Try going to www.cbc.ca the news site, there is a side bar of "money and
the military" and at the bottom of that, another littlerant by an
ex-General that has a fair deal of truth to it, though some of his stuff
is a bit dated...but on the otherhand, maybe that was his point...its
called "Killing the Canadian Army".
I will now sit back and wait for the shooting to start in earnest...
John
Hello all on web
tonight...
Try going to www.cbc.ca the news site, there is a side
bar of
"money and the military" and at the bottom of that, another littlerant
by an
ex-General that has a fair deal of truth to it, though some of his stuff
is a
bit dated...but on the otherhand, maybe that was his point...its called
"Killing
the Canadian Army".
I will now sit back and wait for the
shooting to
start in earnest...
John
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Posted by Beth MacFarlane <elljay@nbnet.nb.ca> on Sat, 10 Mar 2001 22:33:58 -0400
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Fire Mission All Available......
Just read Gen. Hanson‘s article, "Killing the Canadian Army". We tend
to agree with most of his points. Reference the editor‘s note at the
end of the article, I would like to know what his qualifactions are.
What does he consider to be egregious nonsense, poor history, etc.?
Shot Over.......
Ubique
Bob Beth
John Gow wrote:
> Hello all on web tonight... Try going to www.cbc.ca the news site,
> there is a side bar of "money and the military" and at the bottom of
> that, another littlerant by an ex-General that has a fair deal of
> truth to it, though some of his stuff is a bit dated...but on the
> otherhand, maybe that was his point...its called "Killing the Canadian
> Army". I will now sit back and wait for the shooting to start in
> earnest... John
--------------C0B8C65CD26C1283E267F5D9
Fire Mission All Available......
Just read Gen. Hanson‘s article, "Killing the Canadian Army".
We tend to agree with most of his points. Reference the editor‘s
note at the end of the article, I would like to know what his qualifactions
are. What does he consider to be egregious nonsense, poor history,
etc.?
Shot Over.......
Ubique
Bob amp Beth
John Gow wrote:
Hello
all on web tonight...Try
going to www.cbc.ca the news site, there
is a side bar of "money and the military" and at the bottom of that, another
littlerant by an ex-General that has a fair deal of truth to it, though
some of his stuff is a bit dated...but on the otherhand, maybe that was
his point...its called "Killing the Canadian Army".I
will now sit back and wait for the shooting to start in earnest...John
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Posted by "John Gow" <jgow@home.com> on Sat, 10 Mar 2001 22:01:19 -0500
Hello Beth
Good to get a little feedback, especially if its positive...
And so...if we can agree that the Canadian Service person has been made
a target...ridicule?,,,of the Finance Minister...and there lacks a
policy paper, tho‘ we‘ve paid for literally hundreds...we have more
Generals than history...we have a stable government that refuses to
exhibit a national foreign policy...we have gag Mel Lastman who can
call up the aermy to fight his way out of a few inches of snow and
rain...that...gut busting gag Mikie Harris, aka "Elmo"...not expanding
on my feelings towards this unfeeling creep...could not take on as
honestly admitting that umpteen million automobiles moving down a road
constitutes a highway being quick and dirty...anyonewant to debate that
issue? Been through courses with the Quebeckers statng that they
"failed" orwould have "done better", or, worst case "the Anglo‘s would
have failed" had we been caused to go through a Franco-language
course...
A bazzillion years ago, I was in Saskatchewan, and we had comunities
that were "French"...and we had some good soldiers come out of those
communities...and they had their own version of "French", which did not
match to Quebec today, or even then...so I kind of understand
Stockwell...up to his pitiful $60K plea for $800K blooper...not that
I‘ll be forgving the PQ and associates much either....you are Canadian,
with all the prices, or you are NOTHING...
Let us all hit our MP‘s with BGen Hansen‘s letter, and perhaps wake any
or all of them up...
John
----- Original Message -----
From: Beth MacFarlane
To: army-list@CdnArmy.ca
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2001 9:33 PM
Subject: Re: News Item...deeply buried
Fire Mission All Available......
Just read Gen. Hanson‘s article, "Killing the Canadian Army". We tend
to agree with most of his points. Reference the editor‘s note at the
end of the article, I would like to know what his qualifactions are.
What does he consider to be egregious nonsense, poor history, etc.?
Shot Over.......
Ubique
Bob Beth

John Gow wrote:
Hello all on web tonight... Try going to www.cbc.ca the news site,
there is a side bar of "money and the military" and at the bottom of
that, another littlerant by an ex-General that has a fair deal of truth
to it, though some of his stuff is a bit dated...but on the otherhand,
maybe that was his point...its called "Killing the Canadian Army". I
will now sit back and wait for the shooting to start in earnest... John
Hello Beth
Good to get a little feedback,
especially if its
positive...
And so...if we can agree that the
Canadian Service
person has been made a target...ridicule?,,,of the Finance
Minister...and there
lacks a policy paper, tho‘ we‘ve paid for literally hundreds...we have
more
Generals than history...we have a stable government that refuses to
exhibit a
national foreign policy...we have gag Mel Lastman who can call up the
aermy to
fight his way out of a few inches of snow and rain...that...gut busting
gag
Mikie Harris, aka "Elmo"...not expanding on my feelings towards this
unfeeling
creep...could not take on as honestly admitting that umpteen million
automobiles
moving down a road constitutes a highway being quick and
dirty...anyonewant to
debate that issue? Been through courses with the Quebeckers
statng that
they "failed" orwould have "done better", or, worst case "the Anglo‘s
would have
failed" had we been caused to go through a Franco-language
course...
A bazzillion years ago, I was in
Saskatchewan, and
we had comunities that were "French"...and we had some good soldiers
come out of
those communities...and they had their own version of "French", which
did not
match to Quebec today, or even then...so I kind of understand
Stockwell...up to
his pitiful $60K plea for $800K blooper...not that I‘ll be forgving the
PQ and
associates much either....you are Canadian, with all the prices, or you
are
NOTHING...
Let us all hit our MP‘s with BGen
Hansen‘s letter,
and perhaps wake any or all of them up...
John
----- Original Message -----
From:
Beth
MacFarlane
To: army-list@CdnArmy.ca
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2001
9:33
PM
Subject: Re: News Item...deeply
buried
Fire Mission All Available......
Just read Gen. Hanson‘s article, "Killing the Canadian Army".
We tend
to agree with most of his points. Reference the editor‘s note at
the end
of the article, I would like to know what his qualifactions are.
What
does he consider to be egregious nonsense, poor history, etc.?
Shot
Over....... Ubique Bob amp Beth
John Gow wrote:


Hello all on web
tonight...Try
going to www.cbc.ca the news site, there is a
side bar
of "money and the military" and at the bottom of that, another
littlerant
by an ex-General that has a fair deal of truth to it, though some of
his
stuff is a bit dated...but on the otherhand, maybe that was his
point...its
called "Killing the Canadian Army".I will now sit back and wait for the
shooting to
start in earnest...John
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Posted by "Donald Schepens" <a.schepens@home.com> on Sat, 10 Mar 2001 20:36:22 -0700
John,
"As you were SgtMajor!" People French/English, Black/white, etc in
fact whatever definitions used are good. Its the other things that get
in the way.
Don
----- Original Message -----
From: John Gow
To: army-list@CdnArmy.ca
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2001 8:01 PM
Subject: Re: News Item...deeply buried
Hello Beth

Good to get a little feedback, especially if its positive...

And so...if we can agree that the Canadian Service person has been
made a target...ridicule?,,,of the Finance Minister...and there lacks a
policy paper, tho‘ we‘ve paid for literally hundreds...we have more
Generals than history...we have a stable government that refuses to
exhibit a national foreign policy...we have gag Mel Lastman who can
call up the aermy to fight his way out of a few inches of snow and
rain...that...gut busting gag Mikie Harris, aka "Elmo"...not expanding
on my feelings towards this unfeeling creep...could not take on as
honestly admitting that umpteen million automobiles moving down a road
constitutes a highway being quick and dirty...anyonewant to debate that
issue? Been through courses with the Quebeckers statng that they
"failed" orwould have "done better", or, worst case "the Anglo‘s would
have failed" had we been caused to go through a Franco-language
course...

A bazzillion years ago, I was in Saskatchewan, and we had comunities
that were "French"...and we had some good soldiers come out of those
communities...and they had their own version of "French", which did not
match to Quebec today, or even then...so I kind of understand
Stockwell...up to his pitiful $60K plea for $800K blooper...not that
I‘ll be forgving the PQ and associates much either....you are Canadian,
with all the prices, or you are NOTHING...

Let us all hit our MP‘s with BGen Hansen‘s letter, and perhaps wake
any or all of them up...

John
----- Original Message -----
From: Beth MacFarlane
To: army-list@CdnArmy.ca
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2001 9:33 PM
Subject: Re: News Item...deeply buried
Fire Mission All Available......
Just read Gen. Hanson‘s article, "Killing the Canadian Army". We
tend to agree with most of his points. Reference the editor‘s note at
the end of the article, I would like to know what his qualifactions are.
What does he consider to be egregious nonsense, poor history, etc.?
Shot Over.......
Ubique
Bob Beth

John Gow wrote:
Hello all on web tonight... Try going to www.cbc.ca the news site,
there is a side bar of "money and the military" and at the bottom of
that, another littlerant by an ex-General that has a fair deal of truth
to it, though some of his stuff is a bit dated...but on the otherhand,
maybe that was his point...its called "Killing the Canadian Army". I
will now sit back and wait for the shooting to start in earnest... John
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John,
"As you were SgtMajor!" People
French/English, Black/white, etc in fact whatever definitions used are
good. Its the other things that get in the way.
Don
----- Original Message -----
From:
John Gow
To: army-list@CdnArmy.ca
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2001
8:01
PM
Subject: Re: News Item...deeply
buried

Hello Beth

Good to get a little feedback,
especially if its
positive...

And so...if we can agree that the
Canadian
Service person has been made a target...ridicule?,,,of the Finance
Minister...and there lacks a policy paper, tho‘ we‘ve paid for
literally
hundreds...we have more Generals than history...we have a stable
government
that refuses to exhibit a national foreign policy...we have gag Mel
Lastman
who can call up the aermy to fight his way out of a few inches of snow
and
rain...that...gut busting gag Mikie Harris, aka "Elmo"...not
expanding on my
feelings towards this unfeeling creep...could not take on as honestly
admitting that umpteen million automobiles moving down a road
constitutes a
highway being quick and dirty...anyonewant to debate that
issue? Been
through courses with the Quebeckers statng that they "failed" orwould
have
"done better", or, worst case "the Anglo‘s would have failed" had we
been
caused to go through a Franco-language course...

A bazzillion years ago, I was in
Saskatchewan,
and we had comunities that were "French"...and we had some good
soldiers come
out of those communities...and they had their own version of "French",
which
did not match to Quebec today, or even then...so I kind of understand
Stockwell...up to his pitiful $60K plea for $800K blooper...not that
I‘ll be
forgving the PQ and associates much either....you are Canadian, with
all the
prices, or you are NOTHING...

Let us all hit our MP‘s with BGen
Hansen‘s
letter, and perhaps wake any or all of them up...

John

----- Original Message -----
From:
Beth
MacFarlane
To: army-list@CdnArmy.ca
Sent: Saturday, March 10,
2001 9:33
PM
Subject: Re: News
Item...deeply
buried
Fire Mission All Available......
Just read Gen. Hanson‘s article, "Killing the Canadian
Army". We
tend to agree with most of his points. Reference the editor‘s
note at
the end of the article, I would like to know what his qualifactions
are. What does he consider to be egregious nonsense, poor
history,
etc.? Shot Over....... Ubique Bob amp Beth
John Gow wrote:


Hello all on web
tonight...Try going to
www.cbc.ca the news site, there
is a side
bar of "money and the military" and at the bottom of that,
another
littlerant by an ex-General that has a fair deal of truth to it,
though
some of his stuff is a bit dated...but on the otherhand, maybe
that was
his point...its called "Killing the Canadian
Army".I
will now sit
back and wait for the shooting to start in
earnest...John
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Posted by "The MacFarlanes‘" <desrtrat@amug.org> on Sat, 10 Mar 2001 22:01:32 -0700
Great read. I agree with most, if not all. I do have a couple of
thoughts being labeled as "nonsense" is typical of what I expect from
the Canadian media. If they don‘t agree, and they ARE the self-appointed
Canadian big-brother, then it is nonsense. There are many things that
are embellished, slightly askew, or that I just don‘t agree with -
doesn‘t mean it is nonsense. I bristle at condescending BS like that.
Second point - even though I agree, I wonder how he made it to General,
assuming of course that he had been voicing those opinions all along.
Maybe he waited until retirement........
Mac
"The Grumpy Gunner"
----- Original Message -----
From: John Gow
To: army-list@CdnArmy.ca
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2001 6:37 PM
Subject: News Item...deeply buried
Hello all on web tonight...
Try going to www.cbc.ca the news site, there is a side bar of "money
and the military" and at the bottom of that, another littlerant by an
ex-General that has a fair deal of truth to it, though some of his stuff
is a bit dated...but on the otherhand, maybe that was his point...its
called "Killing the Canadian Army".
I will now sit back and wait for the shooting to start in earnest...
John
Great read. I agree
with most, if
not all. I do have a couple of thoughts being labeled as "nonsense" is
typical
of what I expect from the Canadian media. If they don‘t agree, and they
ARE the
self-appointed Canadian big-brother, then it is nonsense. There are many
things
that are embellished, slightly askew, or that I just don‘t agree with -
doesn‘t
mean it is nonsense. I bristle at condescending BS like that. Second
point -
even though I agree, I wonder how he made it to General, assuming of
course
that he had been voicing those opinions all along. Maybe he waited until
retirement........
Mac
"The Grumpy
Gunner"
----- Original Message -----
From:
John Gow
To: army-list@CdnArmy.ca
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2001
6:37
PM
Subject: News Item...deeply
buried

Hello all on web
tonight...

Try going to www.cbc.ca the news site, there is a
side bar of
"money and the military" and at the bottom of that, another
littlerant by an
ex-General that has a fair deal of truth to it, though some of his
stuff is a
bit dated...but on the otherhand, maybe that was his point...its
called
"Killing the Canadian Army".

I will now sit back and wait for the
shooting to
start in earnest...

John
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Posted by Beth MacFarlane <elljay@nbnet.nb.ca> on Sun, 11 Mar 2001 07:35:10 -0400
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Does anyone know B/Gen Hanson? Know anyone who served with him? It
seems a lot of people have all kinds of opinions ONCE THEY RETIRE!!!
Bob Beth
The MacFarlanes‘ wrote:
> Great read. I agree with most, if not all. I do have a couple of
> thoughts being labeled as "nonsense" is typical of what I expect from
> the Canadian media. If they don‘t agree, and they ARE the
> self-appointed Canadian big-brother, then it is nonsense. There are
> many things that are embellished, slightly askew, or that I just don‘t
> agree with - doesn‘t mean it is nonsense. I bristle at condescending
> BS like that. Second point - even though I agree, I wonder how he made
> it to General, assuming of course that he had been voicing those
> opinions all along. Maybe he waited until retirement........Mac"The
> Grumpy Gunner"
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: John Gow
> To: army-list@CdnArmy.ca
> Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2001 6:37 PM
> Subject: News Item...deeply buried
> Hello all on web tonight... Try going to www.cbc.ca the
> news site, there is a side bar of "money and the military"
> and at the bottom of that, another littlerant by an
> ex-General that has a fair deal of truth to it, though some
> of his stuff is a bit dated...but on the otherhand, maybe
> that was his point...its called "Killing the Canadian
> Army". I will now sit back and wait for the shooting to
> start in earnest... John
>
--------------C4918FA898D83A506F27E2CC
Does anyone know B/Gen Hanson? Know anyone who served with him?
It seems a lot of people have all kinds of opinions ONCE THEY RETIRE!!!
Bob amp Beth
The MacFarlanes‘ wrote:
Great
read. I agree with most, if not all. I do have a couple of thoughts being
labeled as "nonsense" is typical of what I expect from the Canadian media.
If they don‘t agree, and they ARE the self-appointed Canadian big-brother,
then it is nonsense. There are many things that are embellished, slightly
askew, or that I just don‘t agree with - doesn‘t mean it is nonsense. I
bristle at condescending BS like that. Second point - even though I agree,
I wonder how he made it to General, assuming of course that he had been
voicing those opinions all along. Maybe he waited until retirement........Mac"The
Grumpy Gunner"
----- Original Message -----
From:
John Gow
To: army-list@CdnArmy.ca
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2001 6:37
PM
Subject: News Item...deeply buried
Hello all on web tonight...Try
going to www.cbc.ca the news site, there
is a side bar of "money and the military" and at the bottom of that, another
littlerant by an ex-General that has a fair deal of truth to it, though
some of his stuff is a bit dated...but on the otherhand, maybe that was
his point...its called "Killing the Canadian Army".I
will now sit back and wait for the shooting to start in earnest...John
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Posted by "William J <andy> Anderson" <aanderson@sk.sympatico.ca> on Sun, 11 Mar 2001 08:38:07 -0600
on 11/3/01 5:35, Beth MacFarlane at elljay@nbnet.nb.ca wrote:
> Does anyone know B/Gen Hanson? Know anyone who served with him? It seems a
> lot of people have all kinds of opinions ONCE THEY RETIRE!!!
> Bob Beth
Gen Hanson was a RCEME Rat. He was the DG or the EME branch then had another
job after that. He got out a few years before I did but I know him very
well.
arte et marte
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Posted by Beth MacFarlane <elljay@nbnet.nb.ca> on Sun, 11 Mar 2001 11:20:06 -0400
Thanks for the info. As I said before, I agree with most of what he said. Why
do the people who make the decisions not listen? I guess a lot of the decisions
are political in nature and one has to answer to those masters first. It has
always been that way - if you study history. The troops on the ground, so to
speak, have to pay for the bad decisions made in the ivory towers in Ottawa and
elsewhere. I guess nothing changes....
Beth
"William J Anderson" wrote:
> on 11/3/01 5:35, Beth MacFarlane at elljay@nbnet.nb.ca wrote:
>
> > Does anyone know B/Gen Hanson? Know anyone who served with him? It seems a
> > lot of people have all kinds of opinions ONCE THEY RETIRE!!!
> > Bob Beth
>
> Gen Hanson was a RCEME Rat. He was the DG or the EME branch then had another
> job after that. He got out a few years before I did but I know him very
> well.
>
> arte et marte
>
> anderson sends:
>
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Posted by "Joan O. Arc" <joan_o_arc@hotmail.com> on Mon, 12 Mar 2001 00:06:45 -0000
Sorry, but I just went to the site and they seem to have taken the story
down. Did anyone happen to download a copy that they could e-mail thru or
post? Failing that, what, pray tell, did the good General say?
----Original Message Follows----
From: "John Gow"
Reply-To: army-list@CdnArmy.ca
To:
Subject: News Item...deeply buried
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2001 20:37:57 -0500
Hello all on web tonight...
Try going to www.cbc.ca the news site, there is a side bar of "money and the
military" and at the bottom of that, another littlerant by an ex-General
that has a fair deal of truth to it, though some of his stuff is a bit
dated...but on the otherhand, maybe that was his point...its called "Killing
the Canadian Army".
I will now sit back and wait for the shooting to start in earnest...
John
Sorry, but I just went t
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