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What is the oldest and the senior active Regiment/ Unit in the CDN Army both Reserve and Reg force?
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EDIT - my mistake, the Governor General's Foot Guards would be the senior in the reserves.
The Royal Canadian Regiment is senior, and the oldest, of the Regular Force regiments. PPCLI and R 22e R are babies in comparison, dating back only to 1914.
Check out the Orders of Battle links at my site at www.canadiansoldiers.com for a look at how the regiments have changed over the years - but be advised they only date back to 1 Jan 1900 - our oldest regiments predate that.
The Royal Canadian Regiment is senior, and the oldest, of the Regular Force regiments. PPCLI and R 22e R are babies in comparison, dating back only to 1914.
Check out the Orders of Battle links at my site at www.canadiansoldiers.com for a look at how the regiments have changed over the years - but be advised they only date back to 1 Jan 1900 - our oldest regiments predate that.
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I have heard that 11th Feild Artillery in Guelph is an old unit.
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Love793 said:
Nonsense; GGFG take the right of the line on parade as is customary for Guards units. You do know how to calculate Order of Precedence, yes?
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Michael Dorosh said:
Not quite. The GGFG takes precedence over all militia regiments, but all regular regiments take precedence over it. See A-AD-200-000/AG-000
INFANTRY REGIMENTS
4. Order of precedence for infantry regiments is as follows (an asterisk* indicates both Regular and Reserve Force components):
a. Regular Force
(1) The Royal Canadian Regiment*,
(2) Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry,
(3) Royal 22e Regiment*, and
(4) Canadian Airborne Regiment.
b. Militia
(1) Governor General's Foot Guards,
(2) The Canadian Grenadier Guards,
(3) The Queen's Own Rifles of Canada,
(4) The Black Watch (Royal Highland Regiment) of Canada,
(5) Les Voltigeurs de Quebec,
(6) The Royal Regiment of Canada,
(7) The Royal Hamilton Light Infantry (Wentworth Regiment),
(8) The Princess of Wales' Own Regiment,
(9) The Hastings and Prince Edward Regiment,
(10) The Lincoln and Welland Regiment,
(11) The Royal Canadian Regiment*,
(12) The Highland Fusiliers of Canada,
(13) The Grey and Simcoe Foresters,
(14) The Lorne Scots (Peel, Dufferin and Halton Regiment),
(15) The Brockville Rifles,
(16) Stormont, Dundas and Glengarry Highlanders,
(17) Les Fusiliers du Saint-Laurent,
(18) Le Regiment de la Chaudiere,
(19) Royal 22e Regiment*,
(20) Les Fusiliers Mont-Royal,
(21) The Princess Louise Fusiliers,
(22) The Royal New Brunswick Regiment,
(23) The West Nova Scotia Regiment,
(24) The Nova Scotia Highlanders,
(25) Le Regiment de Maisonneuve,
(26) The Cameroon Highlanders of Ottawa,
(27) The Royal Winnipeg Rifles,
(28) The Essex and Kent Scottish,
(29) 48th Highlanders of Canada,
(30) Le Regiment du Saguenay,
(31) The Algonquin Regiment,
(32) The Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders of Canada (Princess Louise's),
(33) The Lake Superior Scottish Regiment,
(34) The North Saskatchewan Regiment,
(35) The Royal Regina Rifles,
(36) The Rocky Mountain Rangers,
(37) The Loyal Edmonton Regiment (4th Battalion, Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry),
(38) The Queen's Own Cameroon Highlanders of Canada,
(39) The Royal Westminster Regiment,
(40) The Calgary Highlanders,
(41) Les Fusiliers de Sherbrooke,
(42) The Seaforth Highlanders of Canada,
(43) The Canadian Scottish Regiment (Princess Mary's),
(44) The Royal Montreal Regiment,
(45) Irish Regiment of Canada,
(46) The Toronto Scottish Regiment, and
(47) The Royal Newfoundland Regiment.
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Indeed, but the question was asked - who is senior in each case. I didn't mean to imply the GGFG took precedence over Regular units - my mistake. Thanks for the ref, incidentally!
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But I do beleive RCHA predates all other regiments (regardless of type of combat arm).
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The RCHA hold the right of the line on mounted parades. RCA (and RCHA if dismounted) units take precedence immediately following the RCAC. Infantry and the remainder of units follow.
http://www.artillery.net/english/RCA Standing Orders.pdf
http://www.artillery.net/english/RCA Standing Orders.pdf
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3rd Field Regiment (The Loyal Company) is the oldest artillery Regiment in Canada, and third-oldest in the Commonwealth. It was formed in 1793.
http://www.saintjohn.nbcc.nb.ca/~Heritage/3far/SectionIndex.htm
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Thanks for the info Gunner, I thought I remembered something like that from drinking at the RCHA Association in Kingston.... got to love drinking with gunners...
Michael Dorosh
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Ah, I see the point now. The original question did not specify "Infantry." Guess he thinks the other arms actually matter. ;D
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There are other arms???? Oh you mean Infantry and those that support them, right. lol
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Sh0rtbUs said:
I think you're about the fifth or so in the Corps order of seniority. I don't think a WW1 gunshed is counted as a armouries however, and you May want to check with 4RCR and the 1H about that as well. I believe Wolsley Barracks is a little bit older (1884, give or take, RCR guys correct me if I'm wrong)
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Everything you ever wanted to know about precedence in the CF:
http://my.tbaytel.net/tgroulx/precedence.htm
CFAO 61-6
ANNEX B -
PRECEDENCE OF LAND FIELD FORCE
GENERAL
1. The precedence of the land field force is based on the former army corps structure.
FUNCTIONAL UNITS
2. Precedence among units of the land field force follows the same order as that for branches, except that:
a. units of the Royal Canadian Horse Artillery take precedence over Armour Branch units (see also Note 1); and
b. service battalions take precedence according to that of their senior component, ie, after infantry and before medical units.
ARMOURED REGIMENTS
3. Order of precedence for armoured regiments is as follows (an asterisk* indicates both Regular and Reserve Force components):
a. Regular Force
(1) The Royal Canadian Dragoons,
(2) Lord Strathcona's Horse (Royal Canadians), and
(3) 12e Regiment blinde du Canada*.
b. Militia
(1) The Governor General's Horse Guards,
(2) 8th Canadian Hussars (Princess Louise's),
(3) The Elgin Regiment,
(4) The Ontario Regiment,
(5) The Queen's York Rangers (1st American Regiment),
(6) Sherbrooke Hussars,
(7) 12e Regiment blinde du Canada (Militia)*.
(8) 1st Hussars,
(9) The Prince Edward Island Regiment,
(10) The Royal Canadian Hussars (Montreal),
(11) The British Columbia Regiment (Duke of Connaught's Own),
(12) The South Alberta Light Horse,
(13) The Saskatchewan Dragoons,
(14) The King's Own Calgary Regiment,
(15) The British Columbia Dragoons,
(16) The Fort Garry Horse,
(17) Le Regiment de Hull, and
(18) The Windsor Regiment.
INFANTRY REGIMENTS
4. Order of precedence for infantry regiments is as follows (an asterisk* indicates both Regular and Reserve Force components):
a. Regular Force
(1) The Royal Canadian Regiment*,
(2) Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry,
(3) Royal 22e Regiment*, and
(4) Canadian Airborne Regiment.
b. Militia
(1) Governor General's Foot Guards,
(2) The Canadian Grenadier Guards,
(3) The Queen's Own Rifles of Canada,
(4) The Black Watch (Royal Highland Regiment) of Canada,
(5) Les Voltigeurs de Quebec,
(6) The Royal Regiment of Canada,
(7) The Royal Hamilton Light Infantry (Wentworth Regiment),
(8) The Princess of Wales' Own Regiment,
(9) The Hastings and Prince Edward Regiment,
(10) The Lincoln and Welland Regiment,
(11) The Royal Canadian Regiment*,
(12) The Highland Fusiliers of Canada,
(13) The Grey and Simcoe Foresters,
(14) The Lorne Scots (Peel, Dufferin and Halton Regiment),
(15) The Brockville Rifles,
(16) Stormont, Dundas and Glengarry Highlanders,
(17) Les Fusiliers du Saint-Laurent,
(18) Le Regiment de la Chaudiere,
(19) Royal 22e Regiment*,
(20) Les Fusiliers Mont-Royal,
(21) The Princess Louise Fusiliers,
(22) The Royal New Brunswick Regiment,
(23) The West Nova Scotia Regiment,
(24) The Nova Scotia Highlanders,
(25) Le Regiment de Maisonneuve,
(26) The Cameroon Highlanders of Ottawa,
(27) The Royal Winnipeg Rifles,
(28) The Essex and Kent Scottish,
(29) 48th Highlanders of Canada,
(30) Le Regiment du Saguenay,
(31) The Algonquin Regiment,
(32) The Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders of Canada (Princess Louise's),
(33) The Lake Superior Scottish Regiment,
(34) The North Saskatchewan Regiment,
(35) The Royal Regina Rifles,
(36) The Rocky Mountain Rangers,
(37) The Loyal Edmonton Regiment (4th Battalion, Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry),
(38) The Queen's Own Cameroon Highlanders of Canada,
(39) The Royal Westminster Regiment,
(40) The Calgary Highlanders,
(41) Les Fusiliers de Sherbrooke,
(42) The Seaforth Highlanders of Canada,
(43) The Canadian Scottish Regiment (Princess Mary's),
(44) The Royal Montreal Regiment,
(45) Irish Regiment of Canada,
(46) The Toronto Scottish Regiment, and
(47) The Royal Newfoundland Regiment.
Notes -
1. The Royal Canadian Horse Artillery, when on parade with their guns, take the right and march past at the head of all units of the land field force, including army elements of military colleges.
2. Officer cadets of the Canadian Military Colleges take precedence over all land field forces when parading as a unit or detachment representing their college, except as provided in Note 1. At all other times they parade with the unit of the branch to which they are attached.
3. Except as provided in Notes 4 and 5, armoured and infantry regiments take precedence within their branch according to the date of origin of the oldest unit that formed the regiment.
4. Units of guards (horse or foot) take precedence over other units within their branch, regardless of the date of origin, and, in turn, take precedence amongst themselves according to the date they became guards.
5. An armoured or infantry regiment with both Regular and Reserve Force components takes precedence within the Reserve Force according to the regiment's date of origin, and within the Regular Force according to the date its Regular Force component became part of that Force.
6. Numbered infantry and service battalions take precedence amongst themselves within their own position in the line in numerical order.
Issued 1989-04-28
(Note: Canadian Forces Administrative Orders {CFAO} 61-1 "Precedence" has been absorbed into Canadian Forces publication A-AD-200-000/AG-000, "The Honours, Flags and Heritage Structure of the Canadian Forces" which is not readily available through the Internet. This unofficial website is, at least for now, your easiest access to this information.TRG)
click here to return to my home page.
PRECEDENCE in Canada and the Canadian Armed Forces / Timothy R. Groulx / Tim Groulx
13 October 2002
http://my.tbaytel.net/tgroulx/precedence.htm
CFAO 61-6
ANNEX B -
PRECEDENCE OF LAND FIELD FORCE
GENERAL
1. The precedence of the land field force is based on the former army corps structure.
FUNCTIONAL UNITS
2. Precedence among units of the land field force follows the same order as that for branches, except that:
a. units of the Royal Canadian Horse Artillery take precedence over Armour Branch units (see also Note 1); and
b. service battalions take precedence according to that of their senior component, ie, after infantry and before medical units.
ARMOURED REGIMENTS
3. Order of precedence for armoured regiments is as follows (an asterisk* indicates both Regular and Reserve Force components):
a. Regular Force
(1) The Royal Canadian Dragoons,
(2) Lord Strathcona's Horse (Royal Canadians), and
(3) 12e Regiment blinde du Canada*.
b. Militia
(1) The Governor General's Horse Guards,
(2) 8th Canadian Hussars (Princess Louise's),
(3) The Elgin Regiment,
(4) The Ontario Regiment,
(5) The Queen's York Rangers (1st American Regiment),
(6) Sherbrooke Hussars,
(7) 12e Regiment blinde du Canada (Militia)*.
(8) 1st Hussars,
(9) The Prince Edward Island Regiment,
(10) The Royal Canadian Hussars (Montreal),
(11) The British Columbia Regiment (Duke of Connaught's Own),
(12) The South Alberta Light Horse,
(13) The Saskatchewan Dragoons,
(14) The King's Own Calgary Regiment,
(15) The British Columbia Dragoons,
(16) The Fort Garry Horse,
(17) Le Regiment de Hull, and
(18) The Windsor Regiment.
INFANTRY REGIMENTS
4. Order of precedence for infantry regiments is as follows (an asterisk* indicates both Regular and Reserve Force components):
a. Regular Force
(1) The Royal Canadian Regiment*,
(2) Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry,
(3) Royal 22e Regiment*, and
(4) Canadian Airborne Regiment.
b. Militia
(1) Governor General's Foot Guards,
(2) The Canadian Grenadier Guards,
(3) The Queen's Own Rifles of Canada,
(4) The Black Watch (Royal Highland Regiment) of Canada,
(5) Les Voltigeurs de Quebec,
(6) The Royal Regiment of Canada,
(7) The Royal Hamilton Light Infantry (Wentworth Regiment),
(8) The Princess of Wales' Own Regiment,
(9) The Hastings and Prince Edward Regiment,
(10) The Lincoln and Welland Regiment,
(11) The Royal Canadian Regiment*,
(12) The Highland Fusiliers of Canada,
(13) The Grey and Simcoe Foresters,
(14) The Lorne Scots (Peel, Dufferin and Halton Regiment),
(15) The Brockville Rifles,
(16) Stormont, Dundas and Glengarry Highlanders,
(17) Les Fusiliers du Saint-Laurent,
(18) Le Regiment de la Chaudiere,
(19) Royal 22e Regiment*,
(20) Les Fusiliers Mont-Royal,
(21) The Princess Louise Fusiliers,
(22) The Royal New Brunswick Regiment,
(23) The West Nova Scotia Regiment,
(24) The Nova Scotia Highlanders,
(25) Le Regiment de Maisonneuve,
(26) The Cameroon Highlanders of Ottawa,
(27) The Royal Winnipeg Rifles,
(28) The Essex and Kent Scottish,
(29) 48th Highlanders of Canada,
(30) Le Regiment du Saguenay,
(31) The Algonquin Regiment,
(32) The Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders of Canada (Princess Louise's),
(33) The Lake Superior Scottish Regiment,
(34) The North Saskatchewan Regiment,
(35) The Royal Regina Rifles,
(36) The Rocky Mountain Rangers,
(37) The Loyal Edmonton Regiment (4th Battalion, Princess Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry),
(38) The Queen's Own Cameroon Highlanders of Canada,
(39) The Royal Westminster Regiment,
(40) The Calgary Highlanders,
(41) Les Fusiliers de Sherbrooke,
(42) The Seaforth Highlanders of Canada,
(43) The Canadian Scottish Regiment (Princess Mary's),
(44) The Royal Montreal Regiment,
(45) Irish Regiment of Canada,
(46) The Toronto Scottish Regiment, and
(47) The Royal Newfoundland Regiment.
Notes -
1. The Royal Canadian Horse Artillery, when on parade with their guns, take the right and march past at the head of all units of the land field force, including army elements of military colleges.
2. Officer cadets of the Canadian Military Colleges take precedence over all land field forces when parading as a unit or detachment representing their college, except as provided in Note 1. At all other times they parade with the unit of the branch to which they are attached.
3. Except as provided in Notes 4 and 5, armoured and infantry regiments take precedence within their branch according to the date of origin of the oldest unit that formed the regiment.
4. Units of guards (horse or foot) take precedence over other units within their branch, regardless of the date of origin, and, in turn, take precedence amongst themselves according to the date they became guards.
5. An armoured or infantry regiment with both Regular and Reserve Force components takes precedence within the Reserve Force according to the regiment's date of origin, and within the Regular Force according to the date its Regular Force component became part of that Force.
6. Numbered infantry and service battalions take precedence amongst themselves within their own position in the line in numerical order.
Issued 1989-04-28
(Note: Canadian Forces Administrative Orders {CFAO} 61-1 "Precedence" has been absorbed into Canadian Forces publication A-AD-200-000/AG-000, "The Honours, Flags and Heritage Structure of the Canadian Forces" which is not readily available through the Internet. This unofficial website is, at least for now, your easiest access to this information.TRG)
click here to return to my home page.
PRECEDENCE in Canada and the Canadian Armed Forces / Timothy R. Groulx / Tim Groulx
13 October 2002
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A couple of points with your list: The Canadian Airborne Regiment has been disbanded so are not in the order anymore. The Elgin Regiment is no longer an Armour Reserve Unit, but an Engineer Unit, and as such would not be part of this list.
GW
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thanks for the correction. Just out of curiousity, whats the deal with the copper in the floors? Aurora's floors actually rust when wet due to the Tanks that once inhabited the building. I'm aware of its purpose, but how common is it in the Armouries around Canada. As well, I think its copper. Correct me if Im wrong (more than likely am)
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