Pipelines, energy and natural resources

[lenaitch]

Hiway 69 has been under construction since 1993.

In any other developed country it would have been done by 2000.

You mean in any other country that didn't have to deal with FN land claim negotiations.

 

[Cloud Cover]

You mean in any other country that didn't have to deal with FN land claim negotiations.

I can think of no country that would put up with what we do.

 

[lenaitch]

I can think of no country that would put up with what we do.

Perhaps not, but we wrote a lot of it into the Constitution and adopted the UN Declaration of the Rights of Indigenous Peoples into law, so here we are.

 

[Cloud Cover]

Perhaps not, but we wrote a lot of it into the Constitution and adopted the UN Declaration of the Rights of Indigenous Peoples into law, so here we are.

Smart buggers, those Canuks eh!

 

[Kirkhill]

Perhaps not, but we wrote a lot of it into the Constitution and adopted the UN Declaration of the Rights of Indigenous Peoples into law, so here we are.

Notwithstanding that, no parliament can bind future parliaments.

Having said that, everything is negotiable and it makes sense to keep people on side.

Up here in Rupert's Land we have the advantage of Sir John A. MacDonald's numbered treaties based on recognition of the 1763 proclamation.

BC is still under negotiation. But the Inuit of Nunavut have proven what is possible.

 

[daftandbarmy]

Notwithstanding that, no parliament can bind future parliaments.

Having said that, everything is negotiable and it makes sense to keep people on side.

Up here in Rupert's Land we have the advantage of Sir John A. MacDonald's numbered treaties based on recognition of the 1763 proclamation.

BC is still under negotiation. But the Inuit of Nunavut have proven what is possible.

BC is only about 200 years away from the treaty situation in eastern Canada...

 

[Kirkhill]

BC is only about 200 years away from the treaty situation in eastern Canada...

All of which has been peacefully and permanently resolved. Just ask the Miqmaq, Mohawk and Ojibway.

 

[daftandbarmy]

All of which has been peacefully and permanently resolved. Just ask the Miqmaq, Mohawk and Ojibway.

Yeah, about that...

First Nation asks logging protesters to leave Walbran Valley​

The Pacheedaht First Nation says the blockade undermines its authority to govern its traditional territory and disrupts its efforts to manage its lands responsibly.

https://www.timescolonist.com/local-news/first-nation-asks-logging-protesters-to-leave-walbran-valley-11200145

 

[Kirkhill]

Yeah, about that...

First Nation asks logging protesters to leave Walbran Valley​

The Pacheedaht First Nation says the blockade undermines its authority to govern its traditional territory and disrupts its efforts to manage its lands responsibly.

https://www.timescolonist.com/local-news/first-nation-asks-logging-protesters-to-leave-walbran-valley-11200145

Two principles in collision?

Whose laws?
Nobody wants to be poor.

 

[The Bread Guy]

... Can I recommend that this thread be expanded a bit (maybe reflected in the title) to be come a catch-all for natural resources development in Canada and associated infrastructure? I suspect we’ll have an increase in discussion on this subject and a thematic thread will probably suit it well.

Good idea - done.

Army.ca Staff

 

[Kirkhill]

The use of salt makes me also wonder if some of the subsurface formations...some of which are full of saltwater...could be used. There are also empty formations being used as disposal wells and some of the pipelines currently in the country are used for pumping this fluid to a selected disposal well (subsurface formation).

Two benefits of this...one the re-introduction of fluid helps stabilize rock formations to reduce earthquakes. A lesson learned from the the 1970's and 1980's Colorado drilling fields. Second it may allow for a concentration of salt/water that even if heated should remain within the formation at a heated gaseous state similar to natural gas capture?

Not a geologist or driller but does make me wonder about opportunities not just here but also places like southern Ontario (former Windsor Salt mines) or a ocean water test along the ocean coasts.

One of the other advantages of filling vacant subterranean spaces with heated fluids, as you suggest, is that the heat can be added and subtracted from the fluid while leaving it in situ. The heat exchanger is our friend.

Circulate pressurised hot fluid on one side of the plates and cold fluid to be heated on the other.

 

[Kirkhill]

I'm looking for some clarity here.

Was the expectation that the identification of 'fast tracked' projects by the Feds (with the Provs and Indigenous partners) was that the Fed's would be making the purely business decision as to what was going to be built and where and what route it would take, or, was the aim of 'fast tracked' identification to select already defined projects that were stuck in the molasses of gov't bureaucracy and push them across the finish line ASAP?

Are there any open, business initiated, oil pipeline proposals in the works right now, beyond some back of the napkin stuff?

A ULCC tanker conducting a Williamson turn or the federal Liberal caucus.

Which will answer the helm and reverse course first?

 

[Czech_pivo]

A ULCC tanker conducting a Williamson turn or the federal Liberal caucus.

Which will answer the helm and reverse course first?

Not sure that I understand, but I'm willing to follow you over the hill and see what's on the other side.

 

[lenaitch]

Notwithstanding that, no parliament can bind future parliaments.

No, but the Constitution can.

 

[ArmyRick]

One of the things PM MC talks about many times is "carbon capture" technology. The concept of using machine scrubbers to remove CO2 from the air and liquify it. It can be used for different things. I am not sure how efficient it is.

In that context, I recently learned about the dangerous situation of Satartia, Mississippi a few years ago. A liquid CO2 pipeline burst.

https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/money/agriculture/2022/09/11/here-minute-details-2020-mississippi-co-2-pipeline-leak-rupture-denbury-gulf-coast/8015510001/

https://www.phmsa.dot.gov/sites/phmsa.dot.gov/files/2022-05/Failure%20Investigation%20Report%20-%20Denbury%20Gulf%20Coast%20Pipeline.pdf

So, I hope people are factoring that in before they got all "climate swooned" and decide we must rush these CO2 scrubbers/capture machines into production.

And for those that forget, ALL plants sequester CO2 for food. and when a tree tips over, it does not release deadly gas into the air. And yes, I get it, oil pipelines can burst too however we already know oil and gas is a highly efficient and much greater return on investment in terms of using it.

I also personally feel that CO2 has an extremely low impact on climate (if any at all).