Political impacts of Ukraine war

[RangerRay]

Its not welcome in my view.

The Catholic Church should stick to be a church, and leave international politics to the secular powers. Many wars have been fought to keep the church out of politics.

And vice versa.

 

[Blackadder1916]

Its not welcome in my view.

The Catholic Church should stick to be a church, and leave international politics to the secular powers. Many wars have been fought to keep the church out of politics.

At what level of hierarchy do you suggest that religious organizations (or individual religious leaders) refrain from involvement in politics? Is it only the white and red cassocked leaders of the Roman church or should it be an across the board abolition of any comment from a preacher? What should be an appropriate disincentive to silence those who want to mingle church with state?

I would have no problem with the removal of tax exempt status from any church whose "ministers" utter the words "I think" or "we should" about any social problem. Actually, I have no problem with the removal of tax exempt status from all churches, period.

 

[Eaglelord17]

Its not welcome in my view.

The Catholic Church should stick to be a church, and leave international politics to the secular powers. Many wars have been fought to keep the church out of politics.

If they can serve as a neutral third party to help bring about a lasting peace all the power to them.

Secular powers haven’t exactly got a great track record either, with the most notable being all the people killed under Communism in the last century.

 

[Furniture]

At what level of hierarchy do you suggest that religious organizations (or individual religious leaders) refrain from involvement in politics? Is it only the white and red cassocked leaders of the Roman church or should it be an across the board abolition of any comment from a preacher? What should be an appropriate disincentive to silence those who want to mingle church with state?

I would have no problem with the removal of tax exempt status from any church whose "ministers" utter the words "I think" or "we should" about any social problem. Actually, I have no problem with the removal of tax exempt status from all churches, period.

Having an opinion, and engaging in state-on-state politics aren't the same thing in any way.

If the Atlantic Baptist Convention was a soverign state, and wanted to engage in state-on-state politics, I'd have the same opinion of their actions as well.

If they can serve as a neutral third party to help bring about a lasting peace all the power to them.

Secular powers haven’t exactly got a great track record either, with the most notable being all the people killed under Communism in the last century.

I'd still rather see them stick to having opinions, and engaging in spiritual matters.

The Western world fought lots of wars to get religion out of offical state business. I see no need to regress to having religion be a driver of politics.

 

[Kirkhill]

Having an opinion, and engaging in state-on-state politics aren't the same thing in any way.

If the Atlantic Baptist Convention was a soverign state, and wanted to engage in state-on-state politics, I'd have the same opinion of their actions as well.


I'd still rather see them stick to having opinions, and engaging in spiritual matters.

The Western world fought lots of wars to get religion out of offical state business. I see no need to regress to having religion be a driver of politics.

How about keeping the socialists in check?

 

[The Bread Guy]

Still not a safe world for pro-RUS former UKR political figures out there - especially those who might be, in the words of some UKR media, "controversial" (FAFO, eventually?)

Former Pro-Kremlin Ukrainian Lawmaker Shot Dead Near Madrid - The Moscow Times

A former Ukrainian lawmaker and aide to ex-President Viktor Yanukovych was shot dead near Madrid on Wednesday, a Spanish police source told AFP.

www.themoscowtimes.com

Former Ukrainian president’s advisor killed outside school in Spain - National | Globalnews.ca

Viktor Portnov is a former Ukrainian politician closely tied to Yanukovych, having served as deputy head of the presidential office from 2010 to 2014.

globalnews.ca

Ukrainian former politician shot dead outside school in Spain

Andriy Portnov was previously a senior aide to former President Viktor Yanukovych.

www.aljazeera.com

Controversial Ukrainian ex-official Portnov shot dead in Madrid, source says

Andriy Portnov, a former top official in Ukraine's ex-President Viktor Yanukovych’s administration, was shot dead by an unidentified attacker or attackers outside the American School in Madrid, Reuters reported on May 21, citing a source close to the investigation.

kyivindependent.com

More on this guy

Andriy Portnov - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Czech_pivo]

And we should remove sanctions and play nice with the Bear again?

Western countries reveal major Russian cyber-espionage campaign

Attacks ramped up after Moscow invaded Ukraine in February 2022.

www.politico.eu

 

[KevinB]

And we should remove sanctions and play nice with the Bear again?

Western countries reveal major Russian cyber-espionage campaign

Attacks ramped up after Moscow invaded Ukraine in February 2022.

www.politico.eu

Fuck no.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

At what level of hierarchy do you suggest that religious organizations (or individual religious leaders) refrain from involvement in politics? Is it only the white and red cassocked leaders of the Roman church or should it be an across the board abolition of any comment from a preacher? What should be an appropriate disincentive to silence those who want to mingle church with state?

I would have no problem with the removal of tax exempt status from any church whose "ministers" utter the words "I think" or "we should" about any social problem. Actually, I have no problem with the removal of tax exempt status from all churches, period.

Are mosques and temples included and how does one monitor that? Particularly in non-english/french language.

 

[McG]

Oh finally, Trump has figured out that maybe Putin is not the good guy. On the other hand, Zelenskyy apparently talks poorly … ?

 

[KevinB]

The French are being pretty clear.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1927441089859928234

 

[HavokFour]

"Tariff" has to be the most used word of 2025 at this point. If this actually passes I wouldn't be opposed.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1928503864841376171

 

[HavokFour]

Possible trouble in paradise on the horizon?

Russian Spies Are Suspicious of China, Even as Putin and Xi Grow Close - The New York Times | Ghostarchive

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Russia's FSB calls China 'the enemy' — leaked NYT report exposes secret Kremlin fears

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