Radio Reports and Returns

[Shrek1985]

I've been made the Coy siganller for my unit and have as part of my job description the establishment of SOPs and aid de memiors for the unit comms.

mainly i'm adrepping a  bunch of the great little laminated fold outs for the 521 and 522

what i'm concerned about is the reports and returns. Are mine current? Do I want the most current, or just the LFCA standards? Do those even differ? Am I missing any?

I know the damn 9- liner changes every roto and it's not normally used on excercises, but it is just the sort of thing the CSM might spring on a signaller to see if he's switched on. I also know most of these, like the boat resupply are unlikely to be used.

So can anyone link me to a most-recent collection of reports and returns?

Thanks, I appreciate it.

 

[PJGary]

Well I don't have a link right at this moment,

Does your unit have a PAM library? There should be reports and returns in there. Also, you should just be able to ask your chain for an aide memoir if you're the Coy signaller. I got mine from the sigs that were teaching my ATICS course, so if you have a sigs unit close you could ask them too.

 

[PuckChaser]

Reports and returns are a unit/brigade/task force standard. Unfortunately there's no CF standard. The 9-liner hasn't changed since 2008, so any of the ones you find with NATO Military vice US Military under line 8 are good to go.

I'm in the midst of deploying otherwise I could email you my unit's Reports and Returns. Things you will probably want are:

Contact report, sitrep, ammocas, casevac (or 9 liner), adrep, repair/recovery (if you have vehicles), patrol report, all arms call for fire.

There are probably a few more than are escaping me at the moment. Try liasing with someone at your bde's PRes sigs regiment, they would have copies for you to have.

 

[aesop081]

casevac (or 9 liner),

Is that just what everyone got used to calling it ?

You tell me "9-liner" and right away,i'm thinking "CAS 9-line brief".

 

[PuckChaser]

Is that just what everyone got used to calling it ?

We started using the US 9-liner medievac in Afghanistan, but there is also a casevac request for more conventional operations that has sort have been superseeded by the 9-liner. According to the medics who taught my TCCC, there are people trying to bring us back to the casevac request and get rid of the 9-liner for reasons unknown.

 

[aesop081]

get rid of the 9-liner

I was just curious because there are more than one "9-liner" (Close air support, UXO, medevac.....).

 

[PuckChaser]

I was just curious because there are more than one "9-liner" (Close air support, UXO, medevac.....).

I think that's why they want to change it back to the casevac, instead of just renaming the 9-liner medievac request to something else less confusing.

 

[Shrek1985]

Well I don't have a link right at this moment,

Does your unit have a PAM library? There should be reports and returns in there. Also, you should just be able to ask your chain for an aide memoir if you're the Coy signaller. I got mine from the sigs that were teaching my ATICS course, so if you have a sigs unit close you could ask them too.

Our pams are quite old, I know I just organized the library, but I think my course was up-to-date-ish. My COC assigned this task to me, made a big deal out of it; in their eyes the aid de memiors; their aquisition and construction, as well as whatever our radio SOPs are are up to me as Coy signaller.

Reports and returns are a unit/brigade/task force standard. Unfortunately there's no CF standard. The 9-liner hasn't changed since 2008, so any of the ones you find with NATO Military vice US Military under line 8 are good to go.

I'm in the midst of deploying otherwise I could email you my unit's Reports and Returns. Things you will probably want are:

Contact report, sitrep, ammocas, casevac (or 9 liner), adrep, repair/recovery (if you have vehicles), patrol report, all arms call for fire.

There are probably a few more than are escaping me at the moment. Try liasing with someone at your bde's PRes sigs regiment, they would have copies for you to have.

I was told by afghan vets that the 9-liner changed with each roto, could be bad info.

I have version of all of those from my course, if they have never changed, than I am good to go! But I am working with a comms guy on a tasking right now and I shall ask him.

 

[MedCorps]

Take a look at:

B-GL-334-001/FP-001
STANDING OPERATING PROCEDURES (SOP) FOR LAND OPERATIONS
2009-07-01

PART 7 - REPORTS AND RETURNS. 

These are the authorized reports and returns for the Army.  Unit / Bde's may alter, but this is the doctrine.


MC

 

[Timmy!]

PM me with you DIN email and I'll see what I have for you. I'm "fresh" off tour.

 

[PuckChaser]

I was told by afghan vets that the 9-liner changed with each roto, could be bad info.

They did until NATO adopted it as its standard, and changed para 8 to be ISAF Military vice US Military. The only thing that changes about the 9-liner now is whether you only need the first 4 lines, the whole report or the whole report + a MIST report before MEDIEVAC is launched.

Edited for correct para number.

 

[Timmy!]

9 Liner + MIST = Good to Go once transmitted.

 

[brihard]

They did until NATO adopted it as its standard, and changed para 7 to be ISAF Military vice US Military. The only thing that changes about the 9-liner now is whether you only need the first 4 lines, the whole report or the whole report + a MIST report before MEDIEVAC is launched.

Patient nationality and status is line 8, is it not? Or am I right out of 'er? By my recollection line 7 is method of marking PZ (panels, pyro, smoke, none, other)


Shrek1985- a couple of others of potential use: contact IED; 10 line IED/UXO report.

 

[SupersonicMax]

Why not just use the JFIRE?

 

[dangerboy]

Why not just use the JFIRE?

What is the JFIRE?  I don't recall a report/return called that.

 

[SupersonicMax]

9-Liners, CASEVAC request, etc procedures are all in there.  I was talking specifically about the call for fire section of the questions.

the JFIRE is the FM 3-09.32.  Granted, a US Pub, but used extensively by FACs/JTACs.  Why now stre

 

[PuckChaser]

Patient nationality and status is line 8, is it not? Or am I right out of 'er? By my recollection line 7 is method of marking PZ (panels, pyro, smoke, none, other)

Yep, you're right, little bit of a brain fart there.

 

[Shrek1985]

9-Liners, CASEVAC request, etc procedures are all in there.  I was talking specifically about the call for fire section of the questions.

the JFIRE is the FM 3-09.32.  Granted, a US Pub, but used extensively by FACs/JTACs.  Why now stre

Thank you everyone, I will try and find this doc online.

 

[Franko]

9 Liner is only for use when working with the US, CASEVAC is for our own forces.

We're winding down in the shytebox....might as well get used to using our own stuff again.

Regards

 

[MikeL]

9 Liner is only for use when working with the US, CASEVAC is for our own forces.

We're winding down in the shytebox....might as well get used to using our own stuff again.

Regards

Depends on the unit I guess.  I don't think I've used or seen anything but the 9 Liner.