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Good day,

I did my BMQ and BMQ Land (sq) as a reservist in 2008. I decided to transfer reg force in 2010.  I received my 5 years contract from D Mil C in November 2010 saying that I was posted to PRETC on Jan 2011 and that my BMQ and BMQ Land were recognized. When I got to Borden on PRETC they told me that I had to go on my SQ again. I wrote a memo to fight it. It came back that I had to go again on my SQ. But PRETC never sent me oon SQ course and told me that I could try to fight it after my QL3 when posted to my unit. Now that I got posted my CoC told me I had to go on my SQ course again and that I should not try to fight it because I already did.

I am woundering why would I have to go on my SQ again when I did it once. It make ne sense to me. I have my course certificate, course report and it says on my contract as well on posting message and MPRR that I am qualified...

What should I do here?

 
a Sig Op said:
Is SQ really *that* terrible?
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Probably not, but why waste time and/or money sending someone on training they already have?
 
Exactly. I actually enjoyed my SQ experience. The point is why wasting my time and CF money on sending me on a course a that I'm already qualified. What's the value of the contract that I signed?
 
True enough, but it doesn't seem like somthing worth "fighting".

Is there other more beneficial training or deployments you'd be missing out on if you went on SQ? Do you have a family you'd be away from if you re-did the course? If yes to either of those, then sure, it's probably worth arguing about, but if not, it's possible (not knowing your full "employment" situation) your chain of command sees it as a good opportunity for refresher training as opposed to being under-employed in garrison...

You exercised due diligence as far as the wasted money goes, if your chain of command disagrees and requires you to attend another SQ course, doesn't seem like it's worth a great deal of hassle to you to argue about it.

I assume you've presented your current chain of command with appropriate documentation? Put it all together, include it as attachments to a memo, and present your case again.
 
Probably because the militia BMQ and SQ are each 4 weeks, and are together counted to be equivalent to the regF BMQ.
 
Do you have your transfer message that said what courses you were granted equivalency to? That's your best source for ammo to not do your SQ.
 
Might have to submit a PLAR  for your SQ. I had to for my QL5. I did my QL5 in the PRes, but my CT paperwork was submitting to Ottawa before then. Once I was done the course, the Reg Force knock. And it wasn't noted that I had QL5 when I switch over. So I submitted my PLAR.  Now everything to good to go. That is your best bet.

Regards,
TN2IC
 
This is probably alittle late for the OP, but for info I'll post it anyways.

The correct reference for Army level qual's is LFCO 24-20 Prior Learning Assessment (PLA) For Equivalencies and Qualification Reinstatement

- For Army level qual's, CLS is responsible for both Reg and Res components, as well as for any MOC that the Army is the Managing Authority (MA);
- when all is said and done, this responsibility is given to the Directorate of Army Training (DAT), part of LFDTS;
- CF Support and Training Group (CFSTG) is responsible for Combat Service Support and Combat Support occupation quals;
- CMS, CAS, DGHS and CFPM also have been assigned MA responsibility for their respective MOCs.
- as a major Requirement Authority (RA) for CSS and CS occupations the Army provides recommendations to the applicable MA with respect to the granting and/or re-instatement of equivalencies;
- a request for equivalency MUST be submitted when
      a.  a CT application is requested;
      b.  an OT applicaiton is requested;
      c.  transfer from the Supp Reserve; and
      d.  a non LFC Officer or service member will be employed in a LF position that requires specific Army quals; and
- it is usually not required when it is evident that an applicant holds a more in depth qual than the one being requested (eg, CT from Reg to Reserve)

Requests for Army managed equivalencies/re-instatement of qual's are to be fwd'd through your CofC using Annex A of the LFCO. 

The LFCO also has the Annexes and Appendixes that contain more information.

For PLARs that involve CSS/CS occupations, the CFSTG Ref is BBSAI 1104, avail on the DIN/IntraNet on the CFB Borden, CFSTG Standards Branch DIN site under CFSTG Individual Training Policy.

I won't go out of my lane and guess at what does/doesn't meet the requirements for BMQ-L/SQ, that is for DAT and CFSTG to determine; let them do their job.  Do yours and submit the paperwork required, to whichever MA org your MOC falls under.  If you don't know, get help from your CofC.

As for whether or not BMQ-L or SQ is 'worth complaining or whining about', I don't see that having any relevance to the question or process here.  Repeating of courses 'just because' by a CF mbr is a waste of a trg slot someone who actually needs could have, its a waste of money and resources, and a waste of the mbr's time that they could be doing further trg. 

 
A few years ago someone suggested that I re-do the SLC course before I was promoted to WO as it had been a long time between the course and my promotion.  I told them in no uncertain terms that if they (the HQ) were to pursue this course of action I would be redressing it and seeking CF Ombudsman assistance with it.
If the two courses (SQ Reserves and Reg) are the same and the soldier has passed, why would you make someone do it again? To satisfy this ego thing about being in the Reg Force and having some power?
 
Jim Seggie said:
If the two courses (SQ Reserves and Reg) are the same and the soldier has passed, why would you make someone do it again? To satisfy this ego thing about being in the Reg Force and having some power?
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They are not the same, the TP's have slight variations, the Reserve one is 22 days and the Reg force is 20 days and some of the POs are differant.
 
dangerboy said:
They are not the same, the TP's have slight variations, the Reserve one is 22 days and the Reg force is 20 days and some of the POs are differant.
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Thanks Danger - where can I find the Course Training Plan for Reg and Reserve?


Maybe I'm a dreamer but there can't be THAT much difference between the two. My son CT'd to the Reg Force in 2006 and they recognized his BMQ and SQ.
So why are we not applying the same standards across the board?
 
Jim Seggie said:
Thanks Danger - where can I find the Course Training Plan for Reg and Reserve?
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TPs are probably both listed on Documentum on the CTC Gagetown DWAN site.
 
The list of what is equiv/what isn't is listed on the LFCO Annex/Appendixes and there is a link to an armyonline page listed on Para 10 for a current version of Annex B IIRC.  No doubt the folks at DAT know it off by heart.
 
Call me a dinosaur and a crazy one at that....but why in the world do we keep changing names and standards that work?

Can we not call a BMQ a BMQ and not confuse it by adding or subracting letters?

And thanks to you all for the steer to the CTP!!
 
AFAIK Jim name won't change this time just course content.....
 
Jim Seggie said:
Call me a dinosaur and a crazy one at that....but why in the world do we keep changing names and standards that work?

Can we not call a BMQ a BMQ and not confuse it by adding or subracting letters?
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I blame it on a lot of people being very confused about what "Leading Change" is all about.  ;D
 
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